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Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 4/14/22 at 8:57 pm to
Speaking of wine…anyone know of any places selling flats of strawberries around Thibodaux or Raceland? We weren’t able to make it to the festival. There’s sometimes someone selling flats off of 90 in Raceland but not sure if they are there currently.
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
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Posted on 4/15/22 at 12:05 pm to
I'm sure it's in this thread somewhere, but I'll ask again. I'm looking for advice on preventative inelsecticides and fungicides. I tried to go organic the last 2 seasons, but ended up with too many problems. Right now I've got 3 raised beds. One with tomatoes and some yellow onions. One with peppers and cucumbers. And one with green beans. The beans and cucumbers got hit hard in the fall.
Posted by NervousNellie
Member since Jan 2021
149 posts
Posted on 4/15/22 at 2:58 pm to
What did you do the last couple years? Have you tried a weekly peroxide spray?
Posted by Jon A thon
Member since May 2019
2153 posts
Posted on 4/15/22 at 4:24 pm to
neem oil spray is really all I've tried. Only had a garden last spring and fall. So this is the 3rd go at it.
Posted by bluemoons
the marsh
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 4/15/22 at 4:57 pm to
Peroxide works well but it's not a lasting preventative. I'd consider it more of a contact preventative in that it would kill any bacteria present on the plants whenever you spray. I use peroxide primarily if I see bacterial spot, or after a hard rain when some dirt splashes up on the leaves of the plants. It works very well for existing bacteria. If it ever gets really bad, I use a bleach mixture. There is a long discussion on that over on a tomato growing forum. I'd have to look it up to find the ratio. I've only had to do that a couple times over the last few years though.

I try to stick to organics as well, but I've resorted to Daconil to keep tomatoes going through the heat. I use neem oil for aphids unless they get really bad, in which case I'll use Bonide Eight. I only used each probably twice last year.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 4/15/22 at 5:18 pm to
quote:

I'm looking for advice on preventative inelsecticides and fungicides. I tried to go organic the last 2 seasons, but ended up with too many problems. Right now I've got 3 raised beds. One with tomatoes and some yellow onions. One with peppers and cucumbers. And one with green beans. The beans and cucumbers got hit hard in the fall.


Can you be more specific about the problems you’ve had?

When I started the 2021 Garden Thread last year I included a bunch of pesticide info in the OP, so I’ll link to that and maybe that’ll help you out some.

2021 Garden Thread

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Organic disease and pest management:

Neem Oil
I’ve been using neem oil for a long time. It has insecticidal and fungicidal properties. Maybe even some anti bacterial properties. For the full benefits it is recommended to use “cold pressed” neem oil mixed with an emulsifier (castile soap is what I use). Products that come “ready to use” usually are already emulsified and are produced in a way that reduces the amount of azadirachtin. Azadirachtin's primary mode of action is an anti-feedant, but it can also disrupt growth cycles, sterilize adults, and deter egg laying.

Liquid Copper
Liquid copper is a broad-spectrum fungicide and bactericide. It works by coating the plant surface and reacting with moisture. This releases copper ions that kill bacteria and fungal spores. As with pretty much all fungicides, it is a preventative and will not “cure” existing infections. But it helps prevent spread. It works very well, but read labels carefully. Too much can be toxic to plants, and excess can build up in the soil.

Pyrethrin
Pyrethrin is naturally derived from chrysanthemum flowers. It is a contact insecticide with a very short residual.
quote:

Pyrethrin affects an insect’s nervous system through a deadly toxic effect. Almost immediately upon contact with this compound, the insect dies from a form of paralysis. This effect is what makes pyrethrin a highly effective insecticide.

I’ve used a brand called Pyganic for a couple years and it works extremely well. Even kills stink bugs and leaf-footed bugs when used at the higher end of recommended concentration.

Spinosad
Another organic insecticide. I’ve never used it because there are claims that it can be harmful to beneficial insects as well as the bad ones. So I’ve never really taken the chance on it. And never really needed to. But it’s apparently extremely effective and targets many insects and caterpillars.

Thuricide
Very effective at killing caterpillars. The way it works is pretty brutal. The caterpillars eat it. Their high pH stomach breaks down the crystal bond releasing the bacterial spores. These bind to their intestines and cause tears. This causes them to become septic and die. I’ve used this stuff for years with great results. Many people get impatient with it because they expect immediate results. But the caterpillars usually take a few days to die. Good news is they do stop eating only hours after ingesting it. I find it a better long term solution to controlling caterpillars as opposed to contact poisons.

Hydrogen Peroxide
Since peroxide breaks down into just water and oxygen, it is considered organic in the garden. This is one of those things I wish I would’ve known about a long time ago. It is extremely cheap and effective. I use it as a fungal preventative during and after prolonged wet periods. As a foliar spray, and a root drench. Foliar application helps prevent fungal and bacterial diseases from taking hold, and a root drench prevents root rot and provides oxygen to the root zone.
Hydrogen Peroxide mixing chart for garden use
In the link above, I use the first chart when spraying as a preventative. If fungal disease does take hold, I mix using the second chart. I have successfully nursed really sickly plants back to health using peroxide. I am a firm believer in this stuff. Be careful when mixing. Make sure you know the percentage and mix accordingly. Most of the ones sold in stores are 3%.


Non-organic disease and pest management:

I won’t spend too much time on discussing how most non-organic methods work. Because it is pretty obvious that most of them are synthetic based chemicals that pretty much achieve the same result as the organic methods. Synthetics usually have longer residuals and are often times more effective because of it. I certainly don’t judge anyone for using non-organic methods. I use them occasionally as a last resort if organic methods are not enough. But I try to avoid them as much as possible.

Fungicides:
Daconil
Mancozeb

Insecticides:
Bonide Eight (permethrin)
Sevin dust
Posted by PTBob
Member since Nov 2010
7096 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 2:42 pm to
during one of the earlier freezes i thought i lost my lemon and lime tree





both seem to be doing fine now. the lime tree is on the bottom. should i let it just do it's thing or should i trim all that shite at the top?
Posted by humblepie
Member since May 2008
536 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 3:28 pm to
Trim it back to what is still living. I had the same thing happen to my lemon and limes. The recommendations I found online said to let it leaf out so you can easily see the living parts then prune away the dead wood.

Posted by BallsEleven
Member since Mar 2019
6163 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 3:35 pm to
What he said.

Also, make sure you pinch off any growth below the graft line so you don't start growing your root stock.
This post was edited on 4/16/22 at 3:36 pm
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12056 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 6:48 pm to
Ani ideas what’s causing my peppers plants to drop their buds? It’s happening to my banana, jalapeño, and bell pepper plants. They were doing really well and growing healthy fruit but they started this over the past few days.



Posted by good_2_geaux
Member since Feb 2015
780 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 7:54 pm to
What’s the plant leaves look like? Can you post a pick?

Most likely some sort of nutrient deficiency, possibly calcium.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5116 posts
Posted on 4/16/22 at 8:33 pm to
Either too much water or a deficiency of some sort like stated above.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15343 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 8:56 am to
Agree it’s usually a watering issue. Also excess nitrogen can sometimes do that.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12056 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 9:24 am to
Overwatering is definitely a possibility being my first year at it. My raised bed seems to be holding more moisture than I was expecting. I’ve backed off a lot over the past week. Here’s what the banana pepper looks like this morning. I took off 5 decent size peppers hoping to aid in the plants recovery.

Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52098 posts
Posted on 4/17/22 at 11:30 am to
pull back your mulch and let the soil air out some.
Posted by TheBoo
South to Louisiana
Member since Aug 2012
5116 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:04 am to
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This recipe with the blackberries should hold me over until then.

Heads up I bottled my wine this weekend. It was CLOUDY from the sorbate. I used a coffee filter when bottling and it worked great. Wine came out delicious
Posted by eng08
Member since Jan 2013
5997 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:41 am to
My blackberry bush is loaded this year.
Posted by PillageUrVillage
Mordor
Member since Mar 2011
15343 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 9:41 am to
I’d try to cut back on the water (obviously Mother Nature sometimes has her own plans), and feed it some type of low nitrogen “bloom booster” fertilizer and some iron.

I started using this stuff last year with fantastic results. Plants were the healthiest I’ve ever had.
This post was edited on 4/18/22 at 9:44 am
Posted by Capt ST
High Plains
Member since Aug 2011
13332 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 7:56 pm to
How often you using the H2O2 spray? Peppers are taking a beating with some kind of fungus. New growth looks good, the lower leaves are all but gone
Posted by Prosecuted Collins
The Farm
Member since Sep 2003
6840 posts
Posted on 4/18/22 at 8:42 pm to
Better than the Fox Farm? I trend to liquid so I can still do foliar application when it’s rainy.
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