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Posted by slinger1317
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:03 pm to
I'm in my early 40's and started feeling the same way about 18 months ago.

I'm up every day at 5 am for work, usually get home by 4 and workout for 45 mins or so 3-4 days a week. Last spring I lost all my energy and motivation. I pushed through each day and couldn't shake it. Most weekdays I would wake up and already feel tired.

I went and had bloodwork done, and my total test was 600 and free test was 6.1. My PCP (female) said total test was normal, and the free was a little low. So we did nothing and just attributed my fatigue to "getting old."

Here I am 18 months later and still have the lethargy. I can barely get motivated to cut the grass. I am going to schedule more labs soon, and if the test is low I may change PCP's to a male to see if I can get a different perspective.
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:22 pm to
After reading all of that, my biggest takeaway is caffeine and sleep. It will suck for a few weeks as you adjust, but try to make a cutoff point in the afternoon for caffeine. Even if you drink more of it before then, a hard stop will help. No scrolling or TV once you're in bed, try to read something instead. I also consume too much caffeine, but after a lengthy workout in the evening and a lukewarm shower, I drift off to sleep pretty quickly. I could use another hour most nights, but I consistently get 7 hours of sleep.

On the sleep aids, my wife has tried a couple of different ones, with moderate success. She was similar to you, she could get to sleep, but if something woke her, it was hard to get back to sleep. Trazadone seemed to make her groggy the next day. I forget the one she uses now, but it is some sort of anxiety medicine. It isn't an every night thing, but a few days a week. Helps shut her mind off, since she thinks about work constantly. I had to have the conversation with her that I don't want to hear about work when we're at home. It was constant. Nights and weekends, she was in a new job and stressed about all of the changes going back to work full time. We agreed that we could talk about our day until dinner, but after that we need to focus on the life at home and the kids. Don't want to sidetrack your thread, but sometimes a different focus other than work or life stresses can be a great outlet.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 2:55 pm to
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After reading all of that, my biggest takeaway is caffeine and sleep.


+1. You're probably exacerbating the problem getting caught in a cycle with these too. Can't sleep, so you need more caffeine in the afternoon, so you sleep worse, etc.

Bad sleep will make you feel like dog shite in the afternoon. Your fitness seems to be fine based on your post. If you haven't already, get a sleep mask and/or blackout curtains. Even the smallest bit of light can throw your sleep off. Obviously there's no easy fix for the home life stuff that's keeping you up, but maybe being in the dark can help your body get back to sleep rather than tossing and turning.
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:31 pm to
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Posted by stoov
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:36 pm to
Stop the caffeine before lunch. Workout in the mornings instead of afternoons. You’ll get a great boost of energy post workout. Try magnesium L-threonate before bed. Drink lots of water throughout the day. Dehydration is a real thing most people don’t realize they have. LMNT electrolytes work great to counter that. I take every morning with creatine
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 3:47 pm to
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Posted by TigerGman
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 4:58 pm to
Might need to get checked for Sleep Apnea too.
Posted by BigPerm30
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 5:28 pm to
Sounds like yall need some new pussy. That’ll put some pep in your step
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 5:33 pm to
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Might need to get checked for Sleep Apnea too.

Yeah that is one of the things I'm getting done
Posted by Sam Quint
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 5:34 pm to
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Posted by Ol boy
Member since Oct 2018
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Posted on 9/23/24 at 8:15 pm to
quote:

definitely catch myself jumping awake short of air sometimes. this seems to vary based on how i'm laying. used to not happen when laying on my stomach, but lately

I had the same issue with fatigue, would catch myself falling asleep at my desk or on the drive home, would sit in my recliner and start falling asleep.
Wife had been on my arse about sleep apnea cus I snored bad but I thought it was only for fat old people I was 47/230 .
Did a sleep study at home and had almost 300 events and only was getting about 2hr of good sleep in 8hrs. Got on a cpap and it was a game changer.
Posted by SmogkDeizKnutz
Member since Feb 2023
559 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:13 am to
I find afternoon workouts cause me to sleep worse.

Caffeine will release cortisol stress hormones NIH

Cut back on it, your tiring yourself on it.

You didn't mention the type of work you do. Is that job stressful?
Posted by JL
Member since Aug 2006
3250 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 7:48 am to
Jesus, last night I was thinking about posting my situation on here. Glad I'm not the only one with issues. I'm getting my sleep apnea test done soon and hope that's the issue and not some sort of long Covid situation.

Since I've turned 40 I haven't been able to make it past 4 pm without a nap. I am up at 5:30, 2 cups of coffee in the am, workout at lunch during the week and half marathon training first thing in the morning on the weekends. I don't snore and am in the best shape of my life. I feel like I'm getting a good nights sleep and my apple watch indicates the same. All my blood work is normal. I've never checked my testosterone levels. I don't drink or use nicotine, just 2 cups of coffee every am.

Every day 2 pm rolls around and I'm falling asleep at my desk. Luckily I can get home and grab an hour nap around that time and finish out my day at home.
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Posted by Locoguan0
St. George, LA
Member since Nov 2017
7270 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:11 am to
I feel you.
46. Willis-Ekbom disease (Restless Leg Syndrome) + age are doing a number on me. I take gabapentin for the RLS, which takes the edge off, but I need a THC gummy to actually sleep. The gaba leaves me lethargic the next day, regardless of sleep quality. Gaba and Paxil have both led to weight gain.
Posted by Hand of Justice
Member since Jun 2010
134 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 8:11 am to
Don’t hear most people here posting their water intake. Most people are under hydrated and it’s arguably the most important thing we can focus on. Look up Huberman’s morning routine. We all need to be slamming a lot of water in the morning and throughout day. Are your potassium and d3 numbers good on bloodwork too? I’m guessing it’s mostly a hydration issue.

You need to cut down caffeine, you only need that much because you are tired for other reasons and have become dependent on it. This is not normal. Don’t have any after 12-1
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 8:12 am
Posted by pwejr88
Red Stick
Member since Apr 2007
37859 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 10:15 am to
I’m early 40’s and have experienced most of what you’ve said.
This is just from my experience:

Caffeine was a detriment for me. Sleep, patience, anxiety, etc.
It stays in our system 5-10 hours even after we stop feeling the effects. As I still need it to wake up and for workouts, I changed from 5:30 pm workouts to 6 am workouts. This took a few weeks of adjustment but it’s been a game changer for me. I’m more patient, less irritable, and very relaxed when I try to get sleepy. I also stay asleep. There are many options to get energy throughout the day such as carbs, sunlight, B vitamins, etc.

Nicotine. This one is tricky and I’ve done a little research. When our bodies have the nicotine levels it’s used to, sleep isn’t a problem. If the chemical is suddenly absent, this would cause me to wake up in the middle of the night. Your body could be entering and exiting a nicotine withdrawal phase even if very slightly. Not sure. I would either stay with the dip or eliminate it completely. (temporarily until you figure out the other issues)

I will admit, alcohol is a non-factor for me. I quit drinking years ago so maybe someone else can elaborate on that.

In my opinion, sleep is the answer to your problems. 7-8 hours of good, undisturbed sleep. Once you get your sleep down the rest will start to follow. I’m a big advocate of being all natural especially with sleep. I just think the quality of sleep is better and quality matters. I’m no doc but it seems to me that sleep would be better without chemicals and medicine running through our bodies. That’s how they were designed after all. There’s even some studies that show Benadryl is so effective because it’s basically suffocating part of your brain. Diphenhydramine can actually predispose people to dementia per Dr. Dan Kaufer, neurologist.

Some tricks that worked for me include getting in bed with a show, movie or book about an hour before I want to fall asleep. Having not had caffeine since that morning. A box fan. Not an app, but a real box fan on the high level. Ceiling fan on high. Cold a/c. Dark room with blackout curtains.

Also, my life and sleep-life started getting better when peace became my goal over happiness. Happiness can never be fully achieved because it’s based on external factors whereas peace is internal. A way I achieved this peace was through morning devotionals, prayer and going to church on Sunday’s. It’s a daily effort and must be sought after first thing in the morning and on a daily basis.

Good luck!
This post was edited on 9/24/24 at 10:17 am
Posted by GhostofLesticleMiles
High Plains Drifter
Member since Sep 2019
1150 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 12:10 pm to
Delay caffeine intake for 60-90 minutes after waking up.
Posted by el Gaucho
He/They
Member since Dec 2010
59089 posts
Posted on 9/24/24 at 1:02 pm to
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Jesus, last night I was thinking about posting my situation on here. Glad I'm not the only one with issues. I'm getting my sleep apnea test done soon and hope that's the issue and not some sort of long Covid situation.

First of all long Covid isn’t real

But is there a way to get a cpap machine without the test? I’m willing to buy the machine just to try it out like it just blows air how could it hurt anything


I took an online sleep test where they make you wear a monitor overnight and sent it in and there was this little bs hurricane in Florida and they said the results got lost and acted like I was a bad person for being annoyed considering we have real hurricanes and life goes on like normal and nobody cares but when it rains in Florida it makes national news

ETA: I would rather die of sleep apnea that go to one of those places where you try to sleep in a cage while college kids taunt you
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