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Tiger Woods Major Regret:
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:11 am
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:11 am
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Surprised this wasn't posted here. As I slowly build my mileage up to 30/week, the more aches and pains I get. Reading this makes me wonder about putting in that many miles.
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Asked by a fan on Golf TV what he would tell his younger self, the five-time Masters winner recently responded, “Not to run so much.”
“Running over 30 miles a week for probably my first five, six years on Tour pretty much destroyed my body and my knees,” the 44-year-old Woods said.
Woods’ legendary career has been stalled by four back and five knee surgeries, some of which may have been the result of running. Woods had to pull out of the Arnold Palmer Invitational and The Players Championship because of injury before coronavirus halted the PGA Tour.
Surprised this wasn't posted here. As I slowly build my mileage up to 30/week, the more aches and pains I get. Reading this makes me wonder about putting in that many miles.
This post was edited on 5/4/20 at 8:21 am
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:26 am to Aubie Spr96
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“Running over 30 miles a week for probably my first five, six years on Tour pretty much destroyed my body and my knees,”
I'm not a big fan of cardio in general
but I read a ways back that walking and running are a lot better for you than jogging.Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:29 am to Aubie Spr96
Cardio (not excessive) does the body good, but not all forms are equal. As we gain more and more knowledge about anatomy and "exercise science" I think a lot of staples in fitness programs may get tossed out. Remember running stadium steps? Every sport when I was in high school did that, now it's my understanding that very few do.
I've never been much of a runner, but I understand how excessive running could be harmful to knees, ankles, hips etc. Some have even raised concerns about cycling for men leading to prostate or testicular health problems. For me, swimming is the GOAT cardiovascular exercise (except for sex
) but finding a pool is difficult and owning one is expensive.
I've never been much of a runner, but I understand how excessive running could be harmful to knees, ankles, hips etc. Some have even raised concerns about cycling for men leading to prostate or testicular health problems. For me, swimming is the GOAT cardiovascular exercise (except for sex
) but finding a pool is difficult and owning one is expensive. 
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:46 am to Aubie Spr96
I think you do better doing sprints than jogging.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 8:51 am to Aubie Spr96
Have you watched slow motion footage of his swing when he was in his prime? It’s amazing his left knee held up as long as it did.
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Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:05 am to Aubie Spr96
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“Running over 30 miles a week for probably my first five, six years on Tour pretty much destroyed my body and my knees,” the 44-year-old Woods said.
Excessive high impact exercise kills knees, especially at later ages? I’m surprised.
There’s plenty of scientific evidence that jogging is murder on your knees.
Sprints are actually significantly kinder to your knees which is why HITT sprint bursts are far better and honestly superior from a weight loss POV anyway.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:30 am to Boring
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Some have even raised concerns about cycling for men leading to prostate or testicular health problems.
Having a hard plastic tube shoved into your gooch for hours at a time isn't healthy for the goods?
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:42 am to Athos
Absolutely and for some reason many have forgotten that.
Stadium steps are fine, but are usually higher impact like jogging is. A much better alternative is hill running, especially steep hills. That along with prowler/sled pushes/pulls should make up much of your speed training.
Other exercises should make up the majority of conditioning though. Jump rope etc.
I know I preach burpees, but they are another high impact exercise that can be hard on many, especially if not done correctly. Bruno has written about this. I preach them mainly to teach guys hard work. They can be done lower impact of done correctly.
I still believe though you should be able to run a mile or so. For a normal person there is never really any reason to ever run more than a mile or two at most. Unless you are chasing a goal on the two miles, honestly trying to improve your mile time is a much better fitness endeavor for the normal non competing athlete.
Of you enjoy running though, have at it, but realize the milage adds up.
Personally I believe Olympic lifting is similar, particularly snatches. For the normal guy cleans provide all do the same athletic benifits with none of the issues snatches cause. A lot of long time guys are coming out about this now. All high impact exercises have a big impact over time.
I heard Matt wenning talk about learn to train like you are 50 when you are 25 so that you can train like you are 25 at 50.
Personally after going through a bunch of classes and certification, the normal gym guy has no idea on how to properly warm up and zero idea about shoulder and knee health and you see those as the main injuries in fitness. Even most of the CrossFit coaches have zero idea.
Stadium steps are fine, but are usually higher impact like jogging is. A much better alternative is hill running, especially steep hills. That along with prowler/sled pushes/pulls should make up much of your speed training.
Other exercises should make up the majority of conditioning though. Jump rope etc.
I know I preach burpees, but they are another high impact exercise that can be hard on many, especially if not done correctly. Bruno has written about this. I preach them mainly to teach guys hard work. They can be done lower impact of done correctly.
I still believe though you should be able to run a mile or so. For a normal person there is never really any reason to ever run more than a mile or two at most. Unless you are chasing a goal on the two miles, honestly trying to improve your mile time is a much better fitness endeavor for the normal non competing athlete.
Of you enjoy running though, have at it, but realize the milage adds up.
Personally I believe Olympic lifting is similar, particularly snatches. For the normal guy cleans provide all do the same athletic benifits with none of the issues snatches cause. A lot of long time guys are coming out about this now. All high impact exercises have a big impact over time.
I heard Matt wenning talk about learn to train like you are 50 when you are 25 so that you can train like you are 25 at 50.
Personally after going through a bunch of classes and certification, the normal gym guy has no idea on how to properly warm up and zero idea about shoulder and knee health and you see those as the main injuries in fitness. Even most of the CrossFit coaches have zero idea.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:42 am to MrSpock
Cycling > Running/Jogging
Posted on 5/4/20 at 9:46 am to Aubie Spr96
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As I slowly build my mileage up to 30/week, the more aches and pains I get.
I wonder why he doesn't list his Navy SEAL infatuation as a regret. He did a bunch of jumps with them and that shite is horrific on knees. Also, he used to do lots of his running with a pack on. I heard at the peak of his SEAL infatuation, he actually would go train with active duty Team guys in Coronado which infuriated Hank Haney, his coach at the time. There may not be a civilian that has seen such as much behind the scenes SEAL training as Tiger.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:04 am to MWP
Googled some studies today. It seems that the 20 mile per week mark is the high point with pacing to be in the 10-12 min range before diminishing returns.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:10 am to Aubie Spr96
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It seems that the 20 mile per week mark is the high point with pacing to be in the 10-12 min range before diminishing returns.
I used to run a lot but like Tiger I guess, my knees hurt as well. It has gotten to the point that I hate running on a flat surface, especially on pavement. Now, I either go to the gym (almost forgot what it looks like) or go to the levee by my house and run sprints on an incline for about 30 seconds and then pause for 30 seconds. 30 minutes of that about 3 times a week is all the running I do anymore.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 10:27 am to Aubie Spr96
running, just like a whole host of other movements and workouts, is all about form
bad form is going to equal bad results
for every person that said running ruined their knees, you will find some old runner who has been running the same 5 miles everyday for 40 years with no issues
bad form is going to equal bad results
for every person that said running ruined their knees, you will find some old runner who has been running the same 5 miles everyday for 40 years with no issues
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:12 am to Aubie Spr96
If you like to run, I won’t stop you, but what does running 30 miles do for you? I just don’t get it.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 11:21 am to DeafJam73
You will lose weight.
Is it the most efficient way to lose weight? No.
But people enjoy being outside when the weather is nice and running is an easy, cheap and available form of exercise for almost anyone.
Is it the most efficient way to lose weight? No.
But people enjoy being outside when the weather is nice and running is an easy, cheap and available form of exercise for almost anyone.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:25 pm to Salmon
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You will lose weight.
Is it the most efficient way to lose weight? No.
Strength training burns more calories than running, so no. I don’t knock people for running. I just don’t get the running enough to cover distance of a state.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:37 pm to DeafJam73
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Strength training burns more calories than running, so no.
Yeah...I literally said that...
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Is it the most efficient way to lose weight? No.
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I just don’t get the running enough to cover distance of a state.
And lots of people don't get the desire to pull 500 lbs
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:47 pm to Salmon
Misread your second sentence.
Fair enough.
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And lots of people don't get the desire to pull 500 lbs
Fair enough.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:49 pm to DeafJam73
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Misread your second sentence.
Unacceptable.
Posted on 5/4/20 at 12:50 pm to Salmon
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Unacceptable
You better accept it.
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