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The importance of 200g of protein/day.

Posted on 1/12/24 at 6:12 pm
Posted by Taxman2010
In The Woods
Member since Jan 2022
541 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 6:12 pm
If you arent on testosterone or hgh, will one really see benefits of of 200+ grams of protein a day? It just feels excessive and if you don't have an exterior muscle enhancer, I feel like you are spinning your wheels.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7562 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 6:31 pm to
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It just feels excessive

Idk man. I have the opposite problem and can't figure out how to save room for carbs. If you're eating whole foods, not snacking all day, and make meat the focal point of each meal it's pretty easy to eat 200g
Posted by DrDenim
By the airport
Member since Sep 2022
514 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 6:56 pm to
What is an "exterior muscle enhancer"???

Were you referring back to testosterone and/or hgh?

No matter, but I'm stealing that for personal use from now on. I can't wait to hit the gym and walk up to newbies and ask them what kind of exterior muscle enhancers they're using this new year.

But seriously, there is no magic rule about 200+ grams of protein a day. You need to take in the correct "dosage" of protein to help you meet your goals. A smaller athlete may not need that much, for example. I think any time an athlete's performance lags or progress towards goals slows (or stops), it's a good time to look at protein intake.

FYI: Creatine is my preferred exterior muscle enhancer...well, that and "Chicken Products"
Posted by Tiger Ryno
#WoF
Member since Feb 2007
103147 posts
Posted on 1/12/24 at 11:45 pm to
200g is bullshite. There is a wide variety of body types, weights, goals for fitness. But I have and always live by 450g a day regardless of weight, race or sexual orientation.
This post was edited on 1/12/24 at 11:46 pm
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43304 posts
Posted on 1/13/24 at 8:18 am to
It just depends on your goals. 1g/lb of lbm or goal weight is kinda the de facto general standard to optimize building muscle regardless if youre a natural or not.

If your goal is to just be relatively healthy then you don't really care about optimizations and you could go as low as .5g/lb of lbm/bw and still be building muscle, albeit more slowly.
Posted by West Palm Tiger561
Palm Beach County
Member since Dec 2018
1532 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 10:22 am to
Always thought the 200g was BS. I mean someone who weighs 150 lbs isn't going to need 200 grams of protein. Matching your body weight in protein is ideal, but even a little less is still good for muscle growth.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10418 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 6:57 pm to
I personally gained muscle and lost fat when I went from 200g to 250g of protein per day.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9819 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:00 pm to
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If you're eating whole foods, not snacking all day, and make meat the focal point of each meal it's pretty easy to eat 200g


You are either supplementing protein (shakes, etc) or eating close to 2lbs of meat a day. That's not normal. Daily average for most people is probably closer to 100g.

When I track, I try to prioritize and I struggle to get over 150g consistently. Especially when I'm eating sub 2500-2800 calories. I can see how others might have difficulty..
Posted by Party At LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
10696 posts
Posted on 1/14/24 at 8:59 pm to
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When I track, I try to prioritize and I struggle to get over 150g consistently. Especially when I'm eating sub 2500-2800 calories. I can see how others might have difficulty..

I’m doing a cut right now and am eating at a 2400-2500 cal deficit. I’m also constantly hitting over 250 grams of pro a day. Yes, supplementing with whey powder helps, but skinless chicken breast, tuna, shrimp and lean beef/bison have an insane protein per calorie ratio. I enjoy eating each of those too, so I use them in different ways and recipes. It’s not really hard.
Posted by brmark70816
Atlanta, GA
Member since Feb 2011
9819 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:02 am to
I don't see many options with a ratio better than 10 to 1, calories to protein (2000 calories- 200g protein). So if your eating 2500 and hitting 250g with room to spare, I'm curious how you are doing it. Unless it's a carnivore/keto diet and your are eating tons of meat. More power to you if so. That would just jack my stomach up..
Posted by ronricks
Member since Mar 2021
7103 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:22 am to
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That would just jack my stomach up..


Meat isn’t going to do that. Eating processed garbage that you think is ‘healthy’ would do that. It’s really not hard to get to 250 grams if eating real Whole Foods and throwing in a shake or two.
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2639 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 6:47 am to
250g of protein is 1000 calories. That’s exactly 40% of your intake leaving 60% (the majority) for carbs and fats. It’s really not that hard to hit 250.

As for as 200g, it’s just an easy benchmark. Unless you’re Shaq big, no one is losing muscle mass eating 200g a day. But, if you want to be exact, it’s more a function of desired body weight than just a hard 200g rule. You can get similar results with less as long as it’s right for your goals.
Posted by Yeti_Chaser
Member since Nov 2017
7562 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:35 am to
I don't ever supplement to hit 200g. The key is not just eating the typical pastry style breakfast and instead get 40g of protein in the morning. I scramble up some ground turkey, eggs, and spinach over the weekend and wrap it in a burrito and eat that for the week. You can throw in some Greek yogurt and you're at 50g already. For the week I usually make a huge chuck roast in the crockpot (~70g per serving) served over rice, some chicken pasta (50g per serving), and some shrimp and rice (45g per serving). That's over 200g in around 3000 calories. But if you're trying to keep calories lower just air fry some chicken thighs/breasts. I'll also sometimes do a homemade chicken noodle soup heavy on the chicken so it's more like a stew (600 cals with 70g of protein), pork roast (350 cal, 35g of protein), hamburger steaks (640 cal, 64g of protein), or spaghetti.

Point is that there's plenty of high protein options to keep things fresh that are easy to make at home and prep for a week at a time.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
4756 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:56 am to
1-1.5lb per lb bodyweight.

If you want to put on muscle it's necessary period especially if natural.
Posted by Party At LSU
Baton Rouge
Member since Nov 2005
10696 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 5:28 pm to
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I don't see many options with a ratio better than 10 to 1, calories to protein (2000 calories- 200g protein). So if you’re eating 2500 and hitting 250g with room to spare, I'm curious how you are doing it. Unless it's a carnivore/keto diet and your are eating tons of meat. More power to you if so. That would just jack my stomach up..

I’m not doing carnivore or keto. Four ounces of lean ground turkey has 120 calories and 26 grams of protein. I made turkey burgers post-workout today.

Just take the leanest proteins there are and switch them up with a bunch of different recipes. Super easy to hit 250 grams a day with carbs and fats too.
Posted by St Augustine
The Pauper of the Surf
Member since Mar 2006
64336 posts
Posted on 1/15/24 at 8:37 pm to
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Meat isn’t going to do that. Eating processed garbage that you think is ‘healthy’ would do that.


It’s almost like different people respond differently to different foods.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31413 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:37 am to
i agree that meat usually wotn do it. i stay pretty low carb and mainly only to white rice as it tears my stomach up if i eat processed crap a lot.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31413 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 8:50 am to
ill say this...high protein is more important when not on anabolics and if you try it and hit is consistently from real food, i think you would be amazed at the results.
Posted by bayouvette
Raceland
Member since Oct 2005
4756 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 10:24 am to
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ill say this...high protein is more important when not on anabolics and if you try it and hit is consistently from real food, i think you would be amazed at the results.




100% true. Not surprised my post got down voted though. I can attest as a natural lifter. I worked out like an animal continuously and didn't gain much in the first 5-6 yrs. Then I got with a lifting partner who was big on protein. Once I started getting my 1lb per body weight I blew up.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31413 posts
Posted on 1/16/24 at 11:59 am to
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100% true. Not surprised my post got down voted though. I can attest as a natural lifter. I worked out like an animal continuously and didn't gain much in the first 5-6 yrs. Then I got with a lifting partner who was big on protein. Once I started getting my 1lb per body weight I blew up.



new research is showing post workout....can consume and absorb way way more. and many of the studies that show "no significant difference" when people go on very high protein....well if you actually look at the numbers...might not be significant to the scientist but the numbers are significant for lifters. Talking like 1/2lbs of muscle and sometimes more being considered "not statistically relevant" which is blasphemy.

best gains i have ever gotten was when i was following doggcrapp in my early 20s. was eating 400g of protien a day and only shakes i had were post workout. Did just like Dante said and made amazing gains using lean ground beef and chicken breast. i would even wash the ground beef in boiling water to remove as much fat as possible and then flash fry it again in a hot pan. not the best tasting but holy shite i made gains like crazy.
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