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re: On Mounjaro for two months, my take (long read)
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:20 am to ronricks
Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:20 am to ronricks
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These people are looking for a quick fix and the easy way out. You should know it simply doesn’t work that way when it comes to fitness/diet/health etc. If you are this upset this will be my last post on topic.
ok, well from now on just say....hey look the drugs will help you lose the weight but you are going to have more sides then necessary unless you make lifestyle changes and follow a minimum effective dosing protocol.
then just say if you need help with diet design or exercise program just speak up and we can help
but man you are derailing every thread
and i know you may not see it as taking a moralistic approach of saying its cheating....but you are certainly acting like it and essentially telling them...hey if you do it that away its not good enough
in the end you are going to have to come to this understand these truths
1) without the medicine 80% plus of those people would never lose the weight. They are not wired like us, you and I are wired to compete in everything and frick some other guy thinking he can be more ripped than me or frick some other guy being healthier than me or even competing with ourselves with the "frick my brain and cravings, ill show that mother fricker" mindset. they dont have that. its the medicine or failing over and over
2) its hard as frick for people like us to accept...but there is such thing as food noise. its a sub category of eating disorders where essentially these people think about and crave certain foods at all times. especially the thining about part.
3) them using the medicine and losing the weight is much healthier than trying and failing and never losing it. the medicines also have positive effects on the brain, impulse control, addiction and heart health. it is an absolute game changer for alcoholics, tobacco users and at high doses those with hyper sexuality.
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Posted on 4/10/24 at 8:25 am to jose
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I see I am late to this argument.
What are we arguing about?
nothing really, just couple assholes who believe GLP-1s are the devil and will kill us all and then others that think the surgery is much better option
all are essentially telling the OP that he is wrong for taking the medicine and that only fat lazy fricks would use it
despite the fact that prolly over 50% of competitive bodybuilders are using it for show prep. imagine that...the best people in the world at staying disciplined are using the medicine well.....to help with food discpline.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:27 am to lsu777
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nothing really, just couple assholes who believe GLP-1s are the devil and will kill us all and then others that think the surgery is much better option
In my brief passing, that is what I was seeing too.
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despite the fact that prolly over 50% of competitive bodybuilders are using it for show prep. imagine that...the best people in the world at staying disciplined are using the medicine well.....to help with food discpline.
that was my biggest reason for starting it and I am having great success with it. Down almost 30 pounds and keeping my size and strength in the gym.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 9:51 am to jose
I understand the inclination to dismiss these folks "gains" (losses) as non-lasting. That being said, it goes against just about all the science on formation of habits and lifestyle changes to dismiss this out of hand. Often some kind of catalyst/impetus is needed to establish or break habits.
GLP-1 can absolutely be that for these people. Are there going to be a lot of people who don't make the necessary lifestyle changes? Of course... BUT (and this is a big but), there will also be people who are able to make lifestyle changes and keep the weight off who wouldn't have been able to do so without this catalyst.
The real breakthrough would be if it were treated as a "whole health" issue and part of the GLP-1 regimen included ongoing education, coaching and counseling around diet, exercise, etc.. as an accountability measure. But we aren't there yet in our healthcare system.
GLP-1 can absolutely be that for these people. Are there going to be a lot of people who don't make the necessary lifestyle changes? Of course... BUT (and this is a big but), there will also be people who are able to make lifestyle changes and keep the weight off who wouldn't have been able to do so without this catalyst.
The real breakthrough would be if it were treated as a "whole health" issue and part of the GLP-1 regimen included ongoing education, coaching and counseling around diet, exercise, etc.. as an accountability measure. But we aren't there yet in our healthcare system.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:01 am to hogfly
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BUT (and this is a big but), there will also be people who are able to make lifestyle changes and keep the weight off who wouldn't have been able to do so without this catalyst.
And these are the exact people who I am pulling for. I hope everyone can get in the group. I try as hard as I can to stress this to all my patients.
The same folks who will not have success with GLP-1s are probably the same folks who do the quick fad diets to drop a few pounds and then right back to where they were.
I love the people that I see in clinic who are truly making the right choices to change their unhealthy habits.
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The real breakthrough would be if it were treated as a "whole health" issue and part of the GLP-1 regimen included ongoing education, coaching and counseling around diet, exercise, etc.. as an accountability measure. But we aren't there yet in our healthcare system.
I always talk to them about also being referred to a dietician to talk even further about diet changes. Like GLP-1s, that too is not yet covered by insurance, but I think things are changing.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:05 am to jose
To get this thread back on topic some, I wanted to add my experience after 1 week on Ozempic.
The 'food noise' that several have referenced is real and for me this medication eliminated that within 24hrs. I took my first dose last Wednesday, and on Thursday (and several days since) I had to make myself eat more than I wanted just to keep from being in too steep of a caloric deficit.
So I really want to insist that anyone that decides to go this route absolutely track their calories/protein. Over the last week I've averaged 2300 calories and 208g protein per day. I've still lost an average of 0.83#/day (5.8# total).
I don't have the expertise to point out the mechanics as to why the OP's example of not eating all day until a yogurt at 2PM is a horrible plan. With my workout schedule, if I'm losing almost a pound a day at 2300 calories, I can't fathom how much muscle loss and extra skin I'd have with losing at an even faster rate.
The 'food noise' that several have referenced is real and for me this medication eliminated that within 24hrs. I took my first dose last Wednesday, and on Thursday (and several days since) I had to make myself eat more than I wanted just to keep from being in too steep of a caloric deficit.
So I really want to insist that anyone that decides to go this route absolutely track their calories/protein. Over the last week I've averaged 2300 calories and 208g protein per day. I've still lost an average of 0.83#/day (5.8# total).
I don't have the expertise to point out the mechanics as to why the OP's example of not eating all day until a yogurt at 2PM is a horrible plan. With my workout schedule, if I'm losing almost a pound a day at 2300 calories, I can't fathom how much muscle loss and extra skin I'd have with losing at an even faster rate.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:23 am to Tiger_n_Texas
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I don't have the expertise to point out the mechanics as to why the OP's example of not eating all day until a yogurt at 2PM is a horrible plan. With my workout schedule, if I'm losing almost a pound a day at 2300 calories, I can't fathom how much muscle loss and extra skin I'd have with losing at an even faster rate.
intermitting fasting is a fine strategy to control calories, thats really the only benefit to it. problem comes in with those like the OP who look up and its 6pm and they are only at 30g protein for the day and only 250calories.
at that point they should, if they are tracking like you are(bravo btw for doing it the right way) then they should immediately starting getting protein and calories in as to hit the macro goals. we do not want to lose more than about 2lbs a week. first couple weeks its fine, after that we want to make sure we are eating enough to keep it to 2# per week. thats 100+ pounds a year and plenty fast enough. any more and you can run into issues.
if that means having to back off the medicine to eat more calories and protein, so be it.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:30 am to Tiger_n_Texas
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It's frustrating having people like you talk down to people who are trying to better themselves
Great point. Once again, the hypocrisy of many here is amazing.
I dare you take something that may help you live a healthier life, meanwhile they will take any medication prescribed by a doctor to help themselves with any illness, or better yet use OTC items to help with a headache or pain in their body.
Quit being fricking hypocrites here, and appreciate some people are trying to make their lives better. "Your way" is not always the right way from everyone.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 10:37 am to Mo Jeaux
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you're basically saying that this medicine is something that you're going to have to depend on for the rest of your life
Should healthy people with issues take medication? What if you are healthy, but have genetic issues that require medication. Should you be a slave to Big Pharma, or just roll the dice?
Advancements in medicines is such an important aspect of the lives we have here, it is amazing how many people try to be bad arse and ignore it.
I challenge all the "just eat healthy" people to avoid any medication for a year. I bet you all crumble
Posted on 4/10/24 at 1:31 pm to DarthRebel
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Should healthy people with issues take medication? What if you are healthy, but have genetic issues that require medication. Should you be a slave to Big Pharma, or just roll the dice?
Advancements in medicines is such an important aspect of the lives we have here, it is amazing how many people try to be bad arse and ignore it.
I challenge all the "just eat healthy" people to avoid any medication for a year. I bet you all crumble
Straw man fallacy is always fun. Yes, yes of course I think people should avoid all medication always. Better to die than to take a medicine. Jesus.
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:09 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Straw man fallacy is always fun. Yes, yes of course I think people should avoid all medication always. Better to die than to take a medicine. Jesus.
Got to fight stupid, with stupid.
Obesity leads to several health conditions, that will eventually lead to death. You might not agree with it, but you need to let people do what they can to make their lives better. People using GLP medications does not impact your life in anyway, so why do a few here get so worked up on it?
Marijuana and alcohol are worse than Mounjaro for your body, but we all have no issues there
Posted on 4/10/24 at 2:48 pm to DarthRebel
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Got to fight stupid, with stupid.
What about my position (assuming that you're able to articulate it, which I doubt) is stupid?
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Obesity leads to several health conditions, that will eventually lead to death.
You don't say.
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You might not agree with it, but you need to let people do what they can to make their lives better.
Oh for the love of sweet baby Jesus.
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People using GLP medications does not impact your life in anyway, so why do a few here get so worked up on it?
How have I gotten "worked up" over people being on it?
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Marijuana and alcohol are worse than Mounjaro for your body, but we all have no issues there
Christ. If there's medication to fix retarded, you need it stat.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 9:54 am to lsu777
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in the end you are going to have to come to this understand these truths 1) without the medicine 80% plus of those people would never lose the weight. They are not wired like us, you and I are wired to compete in everything and frick some other guy thinking he can be more ripped than me or frick some other guy being healthier than me or even competing with ourselves with the "frick my brain and cravings, ill show that mother fricker" mindset. they dont have that. its the medicine or failing over and over 2) its hard as frick for people like us to accept...but there is such thing as food noise. its a sub category of eating disorders where essentially these people think about and crave certain foods at all times. especially the thining about part. 3) them using the medicine and losing the weight is much healthier than trying and failing and never losing it. the medicines also have positive effects on the brain, impulse control, addiction and heart health. it is an absolute game changer for alcoholics, tobacco users and at high doses those with hyper sexuality.
Sigh. I can’t resist. You just described a disease. Acknowledging it is a disease would not release a person’s responsibility for taking control and action. Maybe that’s where the disconnect between us exists. You and I both support taking responsibility and action for one’s ability to get healthier. I would argue that relieving a person of the mountain of shame and degradation that society has suffocated them with about their disease is a massive key to inspiring them to take action again(even though the multitude of other times they have tried hasn’t worked). Most patients report feeling a loss of hope that anything will ever work. History has taught them that. Consuming less calories than one spends would cause a loss of weight, but that’s assuming everyone is capable of doing that without chemical balancing(when an imbalance exists). Some can. Most can’t. Seeing so many others find success with these meds is what is driving more to take action and seek help again. Removing the stigma clears the path for so many more. Acknowledging it is a disease allows those people to breathe again and stop feeling suffocated by their inability to overcome the food noise driven by chemical imbalances with will power alone. You are already acknowledging that.
It is pretty amazing how much this topic triggers people. I guess fat shamers fear losing their perceived elevated status in society. If unable to point “down” at others, weak minds will feel they are at rock bottom in society. Nobody wants to feel like they, so fat shakers point, ridicule, laugh, and in doing so perpetuate the problem.
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:37 am to Uncle JackD
All I know is Uncle JackD is looking great! I see those FB posts, ole son! Keep it up! Next step, TEST! Lets get fricking JACKED! (no pun intended)
Posted on 4/11/24 at 10:58 am to lsu777
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All I’m gonna say is your moralistic view you like to cast over everything is tiresome.
Its nauseating. Just finished reading all 7 pages of his downward spiral into pure anger, sadness, and overall depression over a drug that may extend the lives of loved ones by decades.
My almost 70 year old aunt who has been overweight for 20 years has lost 40 lbs on ozempic the past 6 months and is now taking daily walks, cutting out bad foods, and sleeping better than she has in years.
But yeah, shame on her for not just doing P90x and chewing deer antler bro
Posted on 4/11/24 at 11:43 am to YumYum Sauce
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But yeah, shame on her for not just doing P90x and chewing deer antler bro
Now you are getting it!
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:08 pm to Homey the Clown
quote:Thanks brotha! Been gettin it for 13 months now. Now gym’n 5-6x a week.
All I know is Uncle JackD is looking great! I see those FB posts, ole son! Keep it up! Next step, TEST! Let’s get fricking JACKED! (no pun intended)
This post was edited on 4/11/24 at 12:17 pm
Posted on 4/11/24 at 12:52 pm to BawtHouse
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Sigh. I can’t resist. You just described a disease. Acknowledging it is a disease would not release a person’s responsibility for taking control and action. Maybe that’s where the disconnect between us exists. You and I both support taking responsibility and action for one’s ability to get healthier. I would argue that relieving a person of the mountain of shame and degradation that society has suffocated them with about their disease is a massive key to inspiring them to take action again(even though the multitude of other times they have tried hasn’t worked). Most patients report feeling a loss of hope that anything will ever work. History has taught them that. Consuming less calories than one spends would cause a loss of weight, but that’s assuming everyone is capable of doing that without chemical balancing(when an imbalance exists). Some can. Most can’t. Seeing so many others find success with these meds is what is driving more to take action and seek help again. Removing the stigma clears the path for so many more. Acknowledging it is a disease allows those people to breathe again and stop feeling suffocated by their inability to overcome the food noise driven by chemical imbalances with will power alone. You are already acknowledging that.
ok fine its a self inflicted disease
my disconnect is that IMO calling it a disease releases people of the responsibility of how they got into that position and medically, many times at least, there is nothing holding them back but a poor mentality.
i am 100% for treating the issue. imo its more of a mental disease and i fully acknowledge not everyone has my will power, my desires to compete, etc etc. i have preached that on here and preached about food noise. for many its almost like an eating disorder.
i guess i just have a problem with the word disease. saying its an eating disorder, good with that. its the word disease.
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It is pretty amazing how much this topic triggers people. I guess fat shamers fear losing their perceived elevated status in society. If unable to point “down” at others, weak minds will feel they are at rock bottom in society. Nobody wants to feel like they, so fat shakers point, ridicule, laugh, and in doing so perpetuate the problem.
this...we are 100% of the same page. this desire to place morals on how one gains muscle or loses fat to someone make the shamer feel better about themselves is fricking weird. its a societal problem that stems form another self worth. Also weird how society feels they deserve to know what one took or not. see the same thing with muscular people, comments of steroids rain down on anyone that is in shape or has muscles or is stronger than average. its weird AF
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:03 pm to Uncle JackD
Hot boy summer! That shirt is gonna be off in that boat this year, aint it?!?
Posted on 4/11/24 at 1:09 pm to Homey the Clown
Shiiiiiiii you already know My energy and stamina is through the roof. Trout are fricked
My energy and stamina is through the roof. Trout are fricked 
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