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re: Number of reps for deadlifts?

Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:12 pm to
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:12 pm to
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True deads, never more than 3

RDL’s, plenty


This is a great thought.

Build strength and power with deadlifts. Use RDL's for hypertrophy and assistance.
Posted by ThreauxDown
Member since Jan 2019
648 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:31 pm to
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If you're the type of person that drops heavy deadlifts at the top, then you shouldn't be heavy deadlifting.



Disagree

When I have over 400 on the bar, controlling the weight on the way down it feels like my back is in a compromised position

It’s hard to keep perfect form on the way down because it’s not a natural movement. If I had to control the bar on the way down my final sets would be much lower in weight and would be holding me back
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 7:40 pm to
There's a difference between keeping your hands on the bar but not trying to control the negative and just dropping it.



Vs

Posted by Brazos
Member since Oct 2013
20360 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:16 pm to
Is it true that doing heavy deadlifts taxes the CNS more than any other lift?
Posted by OleWarSkuleAlum
Huntsville, AL
Member since Dec 2013
10293 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:19 pm to
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Is it true that doing heavy deadlifts taxes the CNS more than any other lift?


I believe it’s true
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10409 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 8:56 pm to
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Is it true that doing heavy deadlifts taxes the CNS more than any other lift?


Personally:

1. Max yoke walk.
2. Farmers walk.
3. Heavy deads.

Small gap.

4. Heavy squat.

Big gap.

Everything else.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
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Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:11 pm to
I personally try to never do less than 5 reps. I don't want to risk hurting myself.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10409 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:47 pm to
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I personally try to never do less than 5 reps. I don't want to risk hurting myself.


It's interesting to see the different perspectives. I'm the complete opposite. I never do more than 5 because my form degrades with fatigue.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278263 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 9:57 pm to
What are your goals? Some context would help
Posted by LSUfan20005
Member since Sep 2012
8809 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:03 pm to
For me, the risk is all in overextension. For a single or 3, I can maintain a neutral hip/spine even heavy. If I’m getting tired with reps, overextension becomes a risk.
Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:37 pm to
Like you, I generally stay around 5 reps. When I see programs calling for 4x12 deadlifts, I immediately ignore it

However, there are a couple of similar exercises to the deadlift that can safely be done in the high rep range, provide great hypertrophy, and also build your deadlift.

- Rack Pulls: set them where ever your sticking point is...at the knee, below, above etc. Great trap builder for me

- RDL/SLDL: I'm a physical idiot, so I generally don't do these. They always seem to beat my lower back up and I can never get the movement pattern down.

- Dimmel Deadlift: made famous by Matt Dimmel of Westside fame. Think of a rack pull without the rack, very short range of motion, done fast to build explosiveness.

And on the other end of the spectrum, the best deadlift builder but I would never do for high reps - deficit deadlifts!
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
10387 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 10:47 pm to
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It's interesting to see the different perspectives. I'm the complete opposite. I never do more than 5 because my form degrades with fatigue.


I just use lighter weight. I normally start with 1 plate and work my way up to 3. I rarely do more than 3 plates because of risk of injury.

I was always told to do more reps and less weight to avoid injury. Opinions on this theory are welcome.
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30978 posts
Posted on 5/28/20 at 11:57 pm to
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I was always told to do more reps and less weight to avoid injury. Opinions on this theory are welcome.


Most people just themselves due to not bracing properly. Most fail to brace correctly the more fatigued they become. Higher reps on the deadlift is going to induce more fatigue leaving to lack of bracing and a higher risk of injury.

Also the closer one gets to true failure, the higher the risk for injury.

My personal opinion for deads is a max of 8 reps. I try and stay in the 5-6 range on amraps and unlike upper body lifts I tend to only got 2 reps in reserve. I never grind deads no matter what.

This post was edited on 6/1/20 at 10:14 am
Posted by AyyyBaw
Member since Jan 2020
1057 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 5:16 am to
I’ve tweaked my lower back a few times in the past while doing deadlifts. All injuries were with light weight and high reps. I’m not saying that is the case with everyone, but that is what I’ve experienced. Now I mix up my lifts a lot more incorporating the trap bar, KBs and DBs, rack pulls, etc. instead of just beating the strait bar to death. Back has never felt better.
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278263 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 8:32 am to
Doing deadlifts in a touch & go manner leaves you susceptible to injury for sure. It’s not so much fatigue, but resetting the bar & pulling again.

Once the bar hits the ground many people lose the tension created on the 1st pull

Keep the tension. Practice with just 2-3 reps at a lower weight so that’s you understand how to keep tension when you return to the ground..
Posted by TigerAlum93
Member since Sep 2010
3004 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 8:53 am to
Heavy deadlifting/Heavy compound movements to failure can be taxing on the CNS. Same with many max Strongman events like Yoke walk. Take a heavy deadlift to failure too many weeks in a row and it will catch up with you, your body will let you know. I would advise against it. The professional Strongmen programming is such that you basically always have one more rep in the tank leading up until the competition day. You can watch some of them on YouTube training, you will always say to yourself "man he made that look easy, he could have done 2-3 more reps". You are probably right, and its by design.

Hypertrophy HAS been linked to time under tension, which tends to lead to more reps, but that does not mean that Hypertrophy does not occur at 5 reps on the deadlift (it does), it just perhaps means that 5 reps is probably not "optimal" for hypertrophy and better for strength. When you watch college football players train at SEC schools, you will see them doing a lot of 5's (and some 3's) on power cleans, compound movements, etc. Once again that is by design, they are focused on explosive power and not winning Mr. Olympia.

I am much like Rep520. When I use a heavy weight and go high reps on deadlift, I lose form when fatigue sets in, and the deadlift is not to be played around with, you can put your lower back in a very compromising position if not careful. When done with proper form the deadlift is one of THE best exercises one can do. I tend to favor 5-6 reps for these reasons.


Posted by Boring
Member since Feb 2019
3792 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 9:55 am to
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Most fail to Versace correctly


My man over here bragging about his Versace weight belt while the rest of us are just trying to find a power rack
Posted by MWP
Kingwood, TX via Monroe, LA
Member since Jul 2013
10413 posts
Posted on 5/29/20 at 2:21 pm to
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Once the bar hits the ground many people lose the tension created on the 1st pull


Agree 100%. On heavy deads where I am doing more than 1 rep, I always reset like it is my first pull and never do touch and go's. I might warm up with touch and go's with somewhat strict form up to maybe 225 but going past 315, I am starting from scratch with each rep.
Posted by jennyjones
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Member since Apr 2006
9309 posts
Posted on 5/31/20 at 10:43 pm to
I typically stay below 8 reps for deadlifts and go down to a Heavy triple

For hypertrophy, I will do higher reps with rack pulls

I usually alternate one of the 2 exercises every other workout to avoid overtaxing the CNS
This post was edited on 5/31/20 at 10:45 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
30978 posts
Posted on 6/1/20 at 10:14 am to
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My man over here bragging about his Versace weight belt while the rest of us are just trying to find a power rack


Haha man damn autocorrect. How the hell brace turned into Versace, I will never know.
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