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Looking for a good muscle building supplement

Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:23 am
Posted by TechDawg2007
Bawville
Member since Nov 2007
32576 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:23 am
42 year old male, healthy, 6’1 185. Trying to pack on muscle. Eating 3000-3200 calories/day, 250-270 grams protein/day. I’ve seen nutrinex sells GH and T boosters. Would these be beneficial?
This post was edited on 1/11/20 at 9:24 am
Posted by Hulkklogan
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2010
43482 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:48 am to
Generally any OTC stuff is crap. Calorie surplus, high protein intake, hard work sustained over a long period of time.

Proper dosage of creatine, beta-alanine, and L-citrulline malate can help with your workouts feeling better and squeezing out an extra rep or two and can help you in the long term, but by no means are they necessary.
Posted by FatMan
Louisiana
Member since Oct 2016
2071 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:58 am to
Lift heavy weight?? Eat protein??
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 10:01 am to
Eat more protein, lift more weight. Proper dieting and programming are always #1. If you’re looking for pharma, I can’t help with that.
Posted by StraightCashHomey21
Aberdeen,NC
Member since Jul 2009
126745 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 10:42 am to
Ground beef

Steak
Posted by Dixie Normus
Earth
Member since Sep 2013
2874 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 10:48 am to
OTC test boosters are snake. Be patient and you’ll get bigger eating 3000+/day.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22543 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:23 pm to
Take it slow. Lift heavy. Eat in a surplus but not too much. You’re not going to shortcut what many of us took years unless you take steroids.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77903 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 12:33 pm to
Protein and creatine. The rest is bogus.
This post was edited on 1/11/20 at 12:34 pm
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
38052 posts
Posted on 1/11/20 at 9:02 pm to
[quote]Protein and creatine. The rest is bogus[/quotyes sir. Some things can make very small difference but not worth money. If you want more, get your test levels checked.
Posted by L1C4
The Ville
Member since Aug 2017
16568 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:16 am to
quote:

Protein and creatine.


How do you use creatine?
I've read some people load it, but I mix a teaspoon in gatorade immediately after my workout.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 1/14/20 at 11:27 am to
Just start using 5-10 g a day.

Loading doesn't really help, the thing is long term consistency. Having a constant basis of creatine in the system is all you need for the benefits.
Posted by WaydownSouth
Stratton Oakmont
Member since Nov 2018
11159 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:52 am to
A lil Tren baw
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77903 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 12:34 pm to
quote:

How do you use creatine?
I've read some people load it, but I mix a teaspoon in gatorade immediately after my workout.


Creatine will build up over time. You don't have to load, but it will get you to max efficacy faster. To load it, use 20g a day for the first 5-7 days. You can split it up throughout the day. The easiest way to do it is to take 10 grams with breakfast, 5 grams with lunch, and 5 grams just before your evening workout or with dinner. After that, you just maintain with 5 grams per day. You can cycle it if you want, but studies have really not shown any significant value for doing that.
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
14067 posts
Posted on 1/15/20 at 10:02 pm to
If I take over 10g of creatine per day, I can shite through a screen door. Honestly, I haven't met many people who can tolerate 20g per day. That's so much lol.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77903 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:33 am to
I've never had any GI issues with it, but I've always had iron stomach and intestines. It could be the specific type and/or brand of creatine too though. There are two basic preparations of creatine on the market. It's possible that someone could be sensitive to one and not the other. It is even more likely that someone might be sensitive various additives. I would use the purest form you can find and see if that solves the GI issues.
Posted by NotoriousFSU
Atlanta, GA
Member since Oct 2008
12450 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 1:16 pm to
On a Ben Greenfield podcast I listened to recently he mentioned the maximum amount of Creatine your body can absorb and utilize per serving is around 1.5g which should be consumed at different times throughout the day and anywhere between 5-10g per day is plenty. Also, loading phase is a lie by the body building industry.
Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 2:13 pm to
quote:

Also, loading phase is a lie by the body building industry.


This is true. The "maintenance" dose provides you over the max your muscles can be saturated with. Excess won't help you reach saturation faster, you'll just eliminate more.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77903 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 2:17 pm to
quote:

Also, loading phase is a lie by the body building industry.


Not a "lie."

Healthline

It just isn't necessary. As I explained above, it can just lead to faster benefits.

Posted by Rep520
Member since Mar 2018
10476 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 2:39 pm to
Eh, the Healthline stuff really only cites a 1985 study and general studies conducted where the control group was people not consuming creatine.

Buried in the middle are the studies about how the absence of a loading protocol did not affect skeletal muscle power or hypertrophy. Those are the things that matter most.

Now look, if you do a loading protocol, you won't die. There's just not really evidence that it is any more effective than just regular doses.
Posted by LSU Patrick
Member since Jan 2009
77903 posts
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:02 pm to
I agree. Either way, it's going to have some effect and will reach full effect within a few weeks. It's cheap. If it doesn't cause any stomach issue for you, you might as well load.
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