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Is there any legit science supporting dry needle physical therapy?
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:15 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:15 am
Physical therapist just recommended it for “trigger points”. Skeptical.
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Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:36 am to Hope Seternal
If you have muscles that are locked in a clenched state, it works. The needle triggers the clenched muscle into seizure, which then allows it to relax. It's very effective for pain management.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 4:52 am to marcus3000
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If you have muscles that are locked in a clenched state, it works. The needle triggers the clenched muscle into seizure, which then allows it to relax. It's very effective for pain management.
That doesn't answer his question.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:24 am to TigerGman
Zero clue what "science" says and maybe it's just placebo effect, but I had it done weekly for about a month to help with my shoulder and I loved it.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:25 am to Hope Seternal
it this not also known as accupuncture...
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 5:27 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:28 am to TigerGman
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That doesn't answer his question.
It might have. Read it again. The poster demonstrated how dry needle process work in one instance.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:29 am to Hope Seternal
I did it on my right calf for a while due to muscle knots causing Achilles issues. I could physically feel with my hands that calf was more loose than the other after treating for a while. Was also doing ART and Graston scraping, so it wasnt just dry needling, but something was working. Had them work on both legs after that.
I only do it if I need it though. It isn't pleasant.
I only do it if I need it though. It isn't pleasant.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 5:31 am to Alltheway Tigers!
More Acute and targeted form of deep tissue massage. Nothing like acupuncture.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 6:00 am to Hope Seternal
None that I’m aware of now that you mention it.
Guess these sadistic bastards like using you as a voodoo doll, sticking you with needles and telling you it feels better to get their jollies.
Thanks for exposing them.
Guess these sadistic bastards like using you as a voodoo doll, sticking you with needles and telling you it feels better to get their jollies.
Thanks for exposing them.
This post was edited on 4/16/19 at 6:00 am
Posted on 4/16/19 at 6:04 am to Hope Seternal
quote:
Is there any legit science supporting dry needle physical therapy?
Science says it is the cause of muscle warming. However, I think it is just a ploy by physical therapists to make money.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 6:19 am to Alltheway Tigers!
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It might have. Read it again. The poster demonstrated how dry needle process work in one instance.
He specifically asked for SCIENTIFIC evidence; not anecdotal...
Posted on 4/16/19 at 8:36 am to Hope Seternal
Regardless of what “science” says, it works and works well, especially if the problem is muscular. My father in law, Ricky Lane, brought it down to the South and has taught everyone who has taught everyone else essentially. He’s the guy that administers it to all of the LSU athletes. I’ve had it done by another person before and it was not very effective at all. He still works part time for BRPT Lake if you can schedule him I’d recommend it.
Where it’s most effective is areas that cannot be massaged, but is the source of the problem, like the top of a hammy, which is buried underneath 2-3 inches of glute muscle and fat. I remember in 2011 he kept Spencer Ware healthy the whole season working on his hammy’s regularly.
Where it’s most effective is areas that cannot be massaged, but is the source of the problem, like the top of a hammy, which is buried underneath 2-3 inches of glute muscle and fat. I remember in 2011 he kept Spencer Ware healthy the whole season working on his hammy’s regularly.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 10:59 am to TigerGman
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doesn't answer his question.
Yes it does
Posted on 4/16/19 at 8:08 pm to Bmath
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I think it is just a ploy by physical therapists to make money.
Except there is no specific billing code for dry needling... So...typically it’s just lumped in and not much if any extra money is made.
Posted on 4/16/19 at 9:21 pm to Hope Seternal
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Results The initial search returned 218 articles. After screening, 13 were included. Physiotherapy Evidence Database quality scale scores ranged from 4 to 9 (out of a maximum score of 10), with a median score of 7. Eight meta-analyses were performed. In the immediate to 12-week follow-up period, studies provided evidence that dry needling may decrease pain and increase pressure pain threshold when compared to control/sham or other treatment. At 6 to 12 months, dry needling was favored for decreasing pain, but the treatment effect was not statistically significant. Dry needling, when compared to control/sham treatment, provides a statistically significant effect on functional outcomes, but not when compared to other treatments. Conclusion Very low-quality to moderate-quality evidence suggests that dry needling performed by physical therapists is more effective than no treatment, sham dry needling, and other treatments for reducing pain and improving pressure pain threshold in patients presenting with musculoskeletal pain in the immediate to 12-week follow-up period. Low-quality evidence suggests superior outcomes with dry needling for functional outcomes when compared to no treatment or sham needling. However, no difference in functional outcomes exists when compared to other physical therapy treatments. Evidence of long-term benefit of dry needling is currently lacking.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 6:43 am to Hu_Flung_Pu
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doesn't answer his question.
Yes it does
how? he asked for scientific evidence, and a couple people said well it works for me.
Well, some people will say so do Voodoo spells.
Posted on 4/17/19 at 11:22 am to Bonjourno
Sounds like:
run up a bill;
temporary pain relief at best, but no better “functional outcomes” than with conventional therapies;
No evidence of long term benefit.
Am I reading this right?
run up a bill;
temporary pain relief at best, but no better “functional outcomes” than with conventional therapies;
No evidence of long term benefit.
Am I reading this right?
Posted on 4/17/19 at 11:23 am to Hope Seternal
Idk if it works but it hurts so good.
I feel great afterwards
I feel great afterwards
Posted on 4/17/19 at 12:35 pm to Hope Seternal
Idk, I go from having muscle strains that limit my running performance to being 100% most of the time. Sometimes it only makes it 75% better, but always an improvement. I am athlete that trains 16-17hrs/week stating this. It also gets rid of my wife’s migraines instantly due to releasing of tense Mel muscles. But then again, we get it done by the best in the business. If it’s done by a hack I’m sure you can guess the outcome!
Posted on 4/17/19 at 4:15 pm to Andychapman13
quote:name?
But then again, we get it done by the best in the business. If it’s done by a hack I’m sure you can guess the outcome!
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