re: Hubermans guest today is Dr. Christopher Gardner

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That’s not what I’m talking about

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then wtf you talking about? only person i ever sent money to on here was PJ that time. unless im forgetting something, i think you are confusing me with someone else

when you talked about face tatoo i just assumed that is what you are talking about every time.

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Mingo Was His NameO

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and please explain why the frick you think im an idiot while you are at it

you know im pretty damn successful both with my career and the business my wife and I own. You know i have an engineering degree and a minor in math, so you know im not stupid when it comes to being book smart.

Ive pretty well shown i have the ability to comprehend really complex subjects when it comes to cellular biology, nutrition, performance training, medicine etc, digest the information and explain/teach the concepts to those who may not be as well versed in the subjects

so because we may disagree on somethings(mainly fricking travel ball, which you are not involved in nor are you involved at the HS level) im suddenly an idiot?

like i want to know where this comes from. is it because I prefer to workout different than you? is it because i went back to school to finish my degree and didnt graduate until 31?

think what ever you want about me, i dont really care just trying to understand where the hostility suddenly came from. Seems im perfectly fine with you when we agree on something but the min we dont...im a dumbass.


also have you ever been wrong in your life on something or changed your view on anything? because seems like no matter your opinion your view is you could never be wrong.

Ill freely admit, im wrong a lot. Hell anyone that has paid attention on this board knows my views on many things have evolved over the last decade. and they evolved in the decade before that too.

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fine with you when we agree on something but the min we dont...im a dumbass.

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no matter your opinion your view is you could never be wrong.

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His shtick.

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This is also the guy that did the twin study and Netflix document, which was pretty heavily criticized for not accounting for caloric differences in the variables. Further, for a scientist making definitive claims about limiting protein intake, his twin study led to the Vegan subjects losing muscle mass.

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He addresses all this in the podcast if you'd listen to it. He's not a vegan nor does he advocate for that. He's certainly more plant forward.

Let it be, Mingo might be top 2 emotional posters on all of TD and therefore couldn’t even understand his beef with your post

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He explained that in the podcast, which you obviously didn’t listen to. The difference was due to a calorie deficit discrepancy from the meal prep company that was accounted for because the participants ate less, and the result in lean mass loss was shown by DEXA scans he wasn’t provided information with. He was hired by the producer to answer specific questions. Listen to the episode before spouting your useless opinions brotha That said, I think he made it clear that differences of opinion are important and the recommended daily protein intake is based on an average, which imports a median, which negates that 50% above and below the curve become outliers. He specifically suggests a 2x standard of deviation for that study performed during VIETNAM on subjects locked in a room for multiple weeks and doesn’t accurately represent the current population. Imagine being so wrong about something…

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Jesus where do I even begin?

First, your claim that the lean mass loss was “accounted for” because of a caloric discrepancy is precisely one of the primary criticisms of the twin study. If the meal prep company delivered unequal caloric loads, especially with the vegan group consuming significantly less protein and total energy, then the resulting lean mass loss becomes confounded. It’s not enough to retroactively acknowledge the error. Scientific research demands proactive control over variables like caloric intake and macronutrient balance. Especially in intervention studies where body composition outcomes are central. If Dr. Gardner lacked access to DEXA scans and other critical measures, that itself weakens the reliability of his conclusions, not strengthens them.

Second, you’re admitting that the OP is a false claim in that 70g of protein is the max before being converted to glucose. The recommended MINIMUM protein intake for sedentary individuals is .8/kg or .36/pound of body weight. For myself at 170lbs, that’s a minimum of nearly 70g just for survival. Citing the mean or standard deviation through the Vietnam study as a defense for a hard cap at 70g fails to account for individual variability, which Gardner paradoxically both highlights and ignores.

Also, studies DO show that higher daily protein intakes (1.6–2.2g/kg/day or more for athletes) are safe, effective, and not converted wholesale into carbohydrates unless energy demands require it. We literally have HRCTs conveying this.

But this guy, a person who is a renowned environmentalist who wants to fight climate change with plant based eating, says to hard cap at 70g, ignore the criticisms of his ideologically-driven Netflix documentary (answering producer questions is not an excuse), and excuse the lack of control of his own studies and claims.

Nah, I think I’ll pass listening to the podcast.

There’s zero studies that show fiber intake helps with colorectal cancers.

Explain to me as someone who has no inflammation, doesn’t eat processed foods, doesn’t introduce artificial sweeteners, flavors, preservatives, etc to my gut needs or will benefit from 30 grams of fiber a day? I have no bloating, gas, or bowel issues eating a diet comprised of mostly meat. So, I’ll ask again what benefits will I see introducing fiber to my diet?

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Huberman absolutely eviscerated you today. “I think by now everyone knows that fiber is super important. Anyone who disagrees with that, to me, should see a neurologist”

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If its so important, why can I go months without it and still feel fine

You speak with such certainty. Please provide a link to any data that backs this up

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not a vegan

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maybe, maybe not...but he certainly is fat AF and looks like he would love sucking a dick

dude is a fricking hack. we have dozens of studies showing exactly what he is claiming is bullshite

and i have real world experience that shows he is full of shite. and if you actually read the studies that show extremely high protein is not better.....its not really true. in fact in the studies the 2x bw in protein did gain more muscle....they just said it wasnt enough to be noted.

i can tell you from personal experience with my self and others that when I eat 350-400g and lift heavy...i have my best gains over 150-200g and lifting heavy.