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re: Hubermans guest today is Dr. Christopher Gardner
Posted on 5/14/25 at 7:58 am to lsu777
Posted on 5/14/25 at 7:58 am to lsu777
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so my opinion....just my opinion....im not a believer in fiber. I personally think its bullshite
I pretty much feel the same way. I have a feeling we have a lot of folks on here who think they are eating healthy but in reality aren't. The reason fiber is so popular is the SAD. We all know the many issues it causes especially inflammation and gut issues etc. If it makes someone 'feel' better to get fiber from a supplement or from food(s) its fine all I am saying is it isn't needed if you even semi pay attention and know what you are doing as far as proper diet.
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Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:06 am to lsu777
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maybe, maybe not...but he certainly is fat AF and looks like he would love sucking a dick
dude is a fricking hack. we have dozens of studies showing exactly what he is claiming is bullshite
and i have real world experience that shows he is full of shite. and if you actually read the studies that show extremely high protein is not better.....its not really true. in fact in the studies the 2x bw in protein did gain more muscle....they just said it wasnt enough to be noted
The fact we have people on here down voting your post makes me think they likely don't look much different from the fat cocksucker in that picture
I realize we all have different goals on here and different methods etc but I'm starting to question what 90% of this forum looks like with thinking all this bullshite is valid in 2025. The folks on here gobbling down a shite ton of fiber and eating 'vegan' are doing the equivalent of running a 1975 business model in 2025. It's outdated and irrelevant.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 8:13 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:09 am to ronricks
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I realize we all have different goals on here and different methods etc but I'm starting to question what 90% of this forum looks like with thinking all this bullshite is valid in 20225
Most are skinny fat middle aged dudes on ozempic. You’re just now figuring that out?
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:19 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Most are skinny fat middle aged dudes on ozempic. You’re just now figuring that out?
shite i dont even think most are skinny fat
so over the years the BMI threads have revealed alot imo. I think most are 40-50lbs over weight and lots of times claim to be barrel chested or muscular because they lifted 15-20 years ago, most are short and fat. just looking around at LSU games....tells you that...very very very little muscle mass
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:20 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Most are skinny fat middle aged dudes on ozempic. You’re just now figuring that out?
I'm not on here enough to know. I've seen a few people post pics that look like they train and have muscle. Others I see just make post after post about stupid shite like fiber and I know they most likely look like shite. The ozempic bros are a totally different subject
I can only comment on what I have seen at my gym. The men who have used it look like saggy bags full of water with not a single muscle on their whole body and one lady who is a diabetic who wasn't that out of shape to begin with and was attractive now looks like skeletor with super skinny arms and legs like toothpicks and no arse. 
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:22 am to scottydoesntknow
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If its so important, why can I go months without it and still feel fine
This response is the entire problem with our modern day headline driven scientific study interpretations.
We take average data from randomized population trials as absolute and apply it to our own n=1 experiment and if it doesn’t work then the data must be bullshite.
The data isn’t bullshite. The data is the data. If you, as an individual, are making lifestyle changes based off of results of a population study the burden is on you to read the premise of the study, the methodology and the data to determine whether you think the results of that study would be valid for you, specifically.
The data shows that fiber is beneficial. Is it necessary for survival? Absolutely not.
“I don’t do it and I’m just fine” is a single data point. Don’t take your single data point and come to the conclusion that “no one ever needs a single gram of fiber”
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:25 am to ronricks
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The fact we have people on here down voting your post makes me think they likely don't look much different from the fat cocksucker in that picture
I realize we all have different goals on here and different methods etc but I'm starting to question what 90% of this forum looks like with thinking all this bullshite is valid in 2025. The folks on here gobbling down a shite ton of fiber and eating 'vegan' are doing the equivalent of running a 1975 business model in 2025. It's outdated and irrelevant.
it is what it is....everyone is looking for next best thing and think their way is the only way. Just like people get mad when i say intermittent fasting is just a way to control calories, its nothing special
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if i say keto, carnivore etc etc are all just ways to control calories and stay compliant with the a caloric deficit and are nothing special and everyone should use whatever diet plan helps them stay compliant.
just like eating 6-8 meals a day....can it help...sure for the top 1-2% but for the rest of us...it dont matter that much. Sure its better and BBers had/have it figured out but most people dont have to do that to look good.
i dunno but the basics still work
1) lift 3-4x per week heavy and progressively
2) walk 8k steps a day
3) get 20 min of zone 2 in 2-3x per week
4) set your caloric limit for your goal
5) eat 1g or protein per lbs of bodyweight minimum
6) figure out how you like to eat preference wise and fill the rest of the calories with things that help you stay compliant using whole foods
everyone acts like this shite is so complicated...it isnt and 99% of people know how to do it....but people love built in excuses.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:38 am to lsu777
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i dunno but the basics still work 1) lift 3-4x per week heavy and progressively 2) walk 8k steps a day 3) get 20 min of zone 2 in 2-3x per week 4) set your caloric limit for your goal 5) eat 1g or protein per lbs of bodyweight minimum 6) figure out how you like to eat preference wise and fill the rest of the calories with things that help you stay compliant using whole foods
I agree with that whole post. Last thing I’ll say about fiber (not directly in response to you, I know you know this) is if you’re eating Whole Foods you are likely getting plenty of fiber. Unless you’re carnivore of course. Beans, lentils, seeds, Cruciferous vegetables, greens, fruits, nuts.. a few servings of those and you’ve likely hit 30g without even realizing it lol
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:42 am to lsu777
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if i say keto, carnivore etc etc are all just ways to control calories and stay compliant with the a caloric deficit and are nothing special and everyone should use whatever diet plan helps them stay compliant.
You saying this like it’s definitive truth is why you’re an idiot
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:47 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You saying this like it’s definitive truth is why you’re an idiot
oh yea...you have evidence that shows im wrong? because i have posted no less than 2 dozens studies and meta analysis on here that show you are if you are claiming im wrong
and as usual shows you are projecting and lack the ability to read and digest studies and meta analysis instead relying on calling everyone an idiot
this is like the 3rd time in this thread that you have shown your arse and shown to be completely ignorant. but believe what you want...i dont give a frick. but if you have evidence i am wrong...post it. post the studies that show you lose bodyfat faster on those diets compared to iso caloric once calories and protein are equated. I would love to learn something, not an article, post the actual studies.
if you have evidence that they provide some other health benefit long term that is specific to that type of diet and not based on the simple fat loss...please again...post them.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:52 am to lsu777
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oh yea...you have evidence that shows im wrong?
Tons of examples of carnivore completely eliminating auto immune disorders or other ailments. Is it only because of a carnivore diet? In not sure, but I’m fascinated by the topic.
Which is the point. My personal opinion is your genetics and genealogy likely have a lot to do with your ideal diet, but that’s just my guess based on the fact that people react to different diets and/or foods differently. I think the ideal answer is probably n=1 there.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 8:57 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Tons of examples of carnivore completely eliminating auto immune disorders or other ailments. Is it only because of a carnivore diet?
“Examples” are not studies. I would argue that for most people who switch to carnivore and have extreme health benefits the following is likely:
1) they had an extremely poor ultra processed food diet prior to carnivore
2) they were overweight or obese, had pre diabetes or type 2 diabetes
3) they likely did little to no physical activity
What carnivore does is totally eliminate #1, which helps to clear up #2, giving them energy to complete #3. I’d argue literally any whole food based diet would give the same or similar results
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:03 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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Tons of examples of carnivore completely eliminating auto immune disorders or other ailments. Is it only because of a carnivore diet? In not sure, but I’m fascinated by the topic.
and you call me an idiot
so you are telling me eliminating a bunch of foods that could be causing gut health issues, inflammation and auto immune issues works? who knew?
do you have any evidence that carnivore itself is causing the auto immune issues to decrease over it being the case of eliminating items that were causing the issue?
because in general most elimination diets like whole 30, strict keto, carnivore etc show the same things. when you pair the diet down to only certain foods that you know do cause you issues....it helps the types of things
once again we are at the point where people fail to think critically. you are seeing relief from the auto immune because you are eliminating foods that the person has a food intolerance to.
i do agree if you have an auto immune disorder, tend to get stomach issues easily etc etc that you should start with basic carnivore for 30-45 days and then slowly add foods back in and judge your reaction to them
and i say this as someone who mainly does IF and eats carnivorish because most carbs hurt my stomach.
saying what i said doesnt make me an idiot, quite the opposite. but you love to run your mouth
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 9:05 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:06 am to Not Cooper
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“Examples” are not studies.
I agree, but a lot (probably more like almost all) are extremely flawed.
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I would argue that for most people who switch to carnivore and have extreme health benefits the following is likely: 1) they had an extremely poor ultra processed food diet prior to carnivore 2) they were overweight or obese, had pre diabetes or type 2 diabetes 3) they likely did little to no physical activity
Often times, yes, but in the cases where this is not the case the results are so compelling they can’t be ignored in my opinion. There are a lot of people that struggled their entire life with ailments their entire life that tried everything, sometimes even medical and/or pharmaceutical intervention that seemingly only carnivore was able to fix. Again, is it the only reason? I have no clue, but it seems it had at minimum a huge impact. Which, as I said, is the point.
Ultimately we don’t know shite about diet and how food really affects us. Anybody that says otherwise is either a moron or has an agenda. I’ll say it again, I really think n=1 here. It seems logical that people that came from Nordic lineage wouldn’t function the same as people from sub Saharan Africa would, but that’s just a theory I have. Genetic study and AI seems to be a perfect fit for something like this where we can synthesize a shite ton of data and find what style of diet is best for YOU, instead of just thinking 7 billion people should eat the same way.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:08 am to lsu777
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saying what i said doesnt make me an idiot, quite the opposite. but you love to run your mouth
You just contradicted yourself, which in fact, makes you an idiot
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:10 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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You just contradicted yourself, which in fact, makes you an idiot
ok man...whatever you say
typical behavior of insecure little frickers.....attack the person not the actual message because you have zero prove and cant actually have a real conversation based on the data...better just to call names.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:12 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I agree, but a lot (probably more like almost all) are extremely flawed.
Absolutely not. Are there flawed or poorly designed studies? Yes. But a vast majority of “flaws” comes from people referencing the studies, not the studies themselves. People will take the conclusion from a random, extremely specific study done on mice and extrapolate it to make it seem like this huge finding that must be gospel for humans.
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Often times, yes, but in the cases where this is not the case the results are so compelling they can’t be ignored in my opinion. There are a lot of people that struggled their entire life with ailments their entire life that tried everything, sometimes even medical and/or pharmaceutical intervention that seemingly only carnivore was able to fix. Again, is it the only reason? I have no clue, but it seems it had at minimum a huge impact. Which, as I said, is the point.
Every single piece of this is completely and totally anecdotal. None of this is science.
This post was edited on 5/14/25 at 9:16 am
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:13 am to lsu777
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attack the person not the actual message
I attacked your message, at which point you directly contradicted yourself. You’re an idiot because you speak definitely on topics that are very much not black and white. You aren’t very smart so because you know a little bit about something you puff your chest out like you’re the end all be all authority on the subject matter.
Which, look man, I kind of get it. You got a bunch of middle aged dorks on here that glaze you because you give them some C- program that helped them get from fat as frick to only kind of fat, and that gets you off.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:17 am to Not Cooper
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But a vast majority of “flaws” comes from people referencing the studies, not the studies themselves. People will take the conclusion from a random, extremely specific, study done on mice and extrapolate it to make it seem like this huge finding that must be gospel for humans.
So it’s not that the studies are flawed, it’s just that they provide very little value. Got it.
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Every single piece of this is completely and totally anecdotal. None of this is science.
I don’t know to state it anymore clearly, I understand it’s completely anecdotal. But the anecdotes are very real and very compelling. And we ultimately know very little about health span so we should investigate why those anecdotes are happening. Could be nothing, could be something amazing, you, I, or anyone have no clue. Which was the entire premise of my first post, 777 comes in here and speaks definitely on every topic like it’s settled fact, which has multiple flaws.
Posted on 5/14/25 at 9:43 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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I attacked your message, at which point you directly contradicted yourself. You’re an idiot because you speak definitely on topics that are very much not black and white. You aren’t very smart so because you know a little bit about something you puff your chest out like you’re the end all be all authority on the subject matter.
:rotflmao: how did i contradict myself? and i look at them as black and white and speak definitely on the topic? you sure? because i specifically said if it allows you to stay compliant then do it. if eliminating certain food catagories helps you feel better...do it and even mentioned i do much of the same. That is not the same as something having a direct causation effect.
its like you cant understand causation is no the same as correlation.
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Which, look man, I kind of get it. You got a bunch of middle aged dorks on here that glaze you because you give them some C- program that helped them get from fat as frick to only kind of fat, and that gets you off.
which program is that? because i explained the damn basic greyskull lp or because i explained 531 or because i posted about ppsa?
so i guess wendler, aaron ausmus and jp dont know shite either and only provide C- programming
so explain to me what is A+ programming and is it A+ for every goal?
you weigh 155 lbs at 15% bodyfat according to previous post...i dont think you are in position to give anyone advice on what A+ programming is.
but look man, i kind of get it, your shite is to come on here and call everyone dumb and tell them they dont know what they are talking about and you are the utmost authority on everything. I get it. everyone else is weak and you are the perfect example that everyone should strive for.
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