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How bad are steroids really?
Posted on 10/12/18 at 7:39 pm
Posted on 10/12/18 at 7:39 pm
Or hgh/pro hormones. I wanna get jacked. And some people have said it just has a bad connotation around it, such as weed, and that it's not really that bad for you. But I dont want to lose the ability to make my own test which is what same people claim it will do to you. I know I'll get a lot of smartass responses but hopefully some people who are smarter than me can truly educate me more on the topic and what supplements I should get into. I dont care about looking bigger I just want to be physically stronger
Eta: I lift 2-3 times a week. I know I should lift more but with my job that's about all i can manage right now
Eta: I lift 2-3 times a week. I know I should lift more but with my job that's about all i can manage right now
This post was edited on 10/12/18 at 7:40 pm
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Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:06 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Congrats on the shriveled dick and heart attacks in your future.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 9:47 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
There’s a way to do it to minimize negative effects, but there’s generally not a way to do it with no sides.
Additionally, it can and will shut your test production if you don’t do it right. It’s a risk I’ve never been willing to take, but plenty of people do it and are fine.
I will say, just because you do steroids doesn’t mean you’ll get jacked. It certainly helps but diet is the most important thing you can do. If you’re not eating right, it won’t do what you think it will do.
Additionally, it can and will shut your test production if you don’t do it right. It’s a risk I’ve never been willing to take, but plenty of people do it and are fine.
I will say, just because you do steroids doesn’t mean you’ll get jacked. It certainly helps but diet is the most important thing you can do. If you’re not eating right, it won’t do what you think it will do.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 10:20 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
My two cents. FWIW, I've never done anything illegal, but took some decently strong PH's when they were legal.
1. They're illegal. I'm not going to give you moral or legal advice, but I would always put that out there. There is a legal risk involved you take. It's your choice if you want that risk, but it is dumb to not factor it in.
2. Solid studies on side effects don't much exist. Because it's illegal, there isn't much but broscience on dosing, long term effects, etc. A lot is dependent on how smart you are with it and yoyr individual makeup.
3. Some sides are real. Testosterone suppression is widely enough described that it pretty clearly can exist. It is another risk.
4. If you do it, having a plan in terms of dosing, support and PCT is important. Get blood tests, monitor yourself, etc.
5. If your workout and diet aren't fairly well dialed in, you're hurting yourself in the long term. If you lack solid diet/workout habits, you'll get bigger and stronger while on, then eventually have to come off. When you come off, the poor diet/workout habits will kill any gains you made and could even set you back further.
I know this won't be the answer you want, but it sounds like you'd get more out of dialing in workout and diet. That can create a lot of gains right there.
Until you've got that down, you'll be spinning your wheels in a cycle of getting bigger and stronger while on, then shrinking back.
If I'm wrong and you have diet and workout dialed in, evaluate the risks above. Personally, implementing some vertical diet principles and powerlifting/strongman work got me further than PH's ever did.
1. They're illegal. I'm not going to give you moral or legal advice, but I would always put that out there. There is a legal risk involved you take. It's your choice if you want that risk, but it is dumb to not factor it in.
2. Solid studies on side effects don't much exist. Because it's illegal, there isn't much but broscience on dosing, long term effects, etc. A lot is dependent on how smart you are with it and yoyr individual makeup.
3. Some sides are real. Testosterone suppression is widely enough described that it pretty clearly can exist. It is another risk.
4. If you do it, having a plan in terms of dosing, support and PCT is important. Get blood tests, monitor yourself, etc.
5. If your workout and diet aren't fairly well dialed in, you're hurting yourself in the long term. If you lack solid diet/workout habits, you'll get bigger and stronger while on, then eventually have to come off. When you come off, the poor diet/workout habits will kill any gains you made and could even set you back further.
I know this won't be the answer you want, but it sounds like you'd get more out of dialing in workout and diet. That can create a lot of gains right there.
Until you've got that down, you'll be spinning your wheels in a cycle of getting bigger and stronger while on, then shrinking back.
If I'm wrong and you have diet and workout dialed in, evaluate the risks above. Personally, implementing some vertical diet principles and powerlifting/strongman work got me further than PH's ever did.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 10:36 pm to Rep520
What would be good strongman work. Also I feel like I eat pretty clean. Mostly meat ands protein shakes with some fruits and a little vegetables mixed in. I should probably eat more veggys
Posted on 10/12/18 at 10:48 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Increase in red blood cell production can easily lead you to a stroke. But then again, you'll look great in that casket. I think you should go for it.
Posted on 10/12/18 at 10:51 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
If you have a trap bar or farmers walk handles, heavy farmers walks have gotten me more strength and size than any other movement. Sandbag/stones are great and versatile.
Those are the two easiest and best starters, IMO. Getting a sledgehammer can build a lot of functional strength and size in your shoulders and upper back.
Those are the two easiest and best starters, IMO. Getting a sledgehammer can build a lot of functional strength and size in your shoulders and upper back.
Posted on 10/13/18 at 8:40 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Not bad at all. Pump yourself up
Posted on 10/13/18 at 11:12 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
If done correctly chances are you won't really suffer many side effects but everyone is different. And it doesn't make your dick shrink, dumbass statement. I can link you to places to do research to understand what the risk are and how to minimize them.
With that being said, you shouldn't use them until you have learned to lift and diet perfect and you really want to take to the next level. As they are a waste otherwise.
How about you give it 6-9 months with us guiding you and you really hit the workouts stupid hard and perfect diet. That doesn't mean you need to be lifting more than 3 days a week if that's all you can handle. Of you still think you need to use, fine but at least give it a chance first.
Now understand if you go damn that path, you need to be ok with the realization you could easily pick up a felony if you get caught. It's something to think about.
With that being said, you shouldn't use them until you have learned to lift and diet perfect and you really want to take to the next level. As they are a waste otherwise.
How about you give it 6-9 months with us guiding you and you really hit the workouts stupid hard and perfect diet. That doesn't mean you need to be lifting more than 3 days a week if that's all you can handle. Of you still think you need to use, fine but at least give it a chance first.
Now understand if you go damn that path, you need to be ok with the realization you could easily pick up a felony if you get caught. It's something to think about.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 9:25 am to lsu777
quote:that's just all I have time for. Back when I was in college 2 years ago lifting I'd work out 5 days a week. As of right now I'm trying to eat mostly meats, veggies, and fruit limit my grains and cut out any completely unhealthy food items. My biggest cheat meals are still like pizza and fried chicken but I don't eat that too often. I probably need a more strict diet but I really dont know which one I should choose while I'm still getting all of the nutrients I need to make the gains I want
3 days a week if that's all you can handle.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 9:44 am to Hawgnsincebirth55
Eat a bunch of beef and you’ll get big. Chicken is for cutting.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 11:41 am to Dixie Normus
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Eat a bunch of beef and you’ll get big. Chicken is for cutting.
This is the best thing I’ve read on here in awhile. I award you the internet... for the day.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 12:23 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
If you don’t want to risk your endegenous test production then don’t do it. Other health risks can be mitigated by being health concouis and not doing crazy doses. I don’t know why someone said they have a lack of studies on traditional aas, they’ve been developed for medical application. It’s the sarms and obscure ‘ph’s’ that have lack of studies.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:28 pm to lsu777
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If done correctly chances are you won't really suffer many side effects but everyone is different. And it doesn't make your dick shrink, dumbass statement. I can link you to places to do research to understand what the risk are and how to minimize them.
With that being said, you shouldn't use them until you have learned to lift and diet perfect and you really want to take to the next level. As they are a waste otherwise.
How about you give it 6-9 months with us guiding you and you really hit the workouts stupid hard and perfect diet. That doesn't mean you need to be lifting more than 3 days a week if that's all you can handle. Of you still think you need to use, fine but at least give it a chance first.
Now understand if you go damn that path, you need to be ok with the realization you could easily pick up a felony if you get caught. It's something to think about.
All of this, 100%. OP, you need to do serious research about the risks involved and whether or not you are willing to take those risks. You need to realize that you will be putting yourself up for medical and legal risks. I will never suggest anyone use steroids, but I will not shoot it down if it is truly your choice and you understand and accept the very real risks. It’s a very expensive and risky road to travel. Just take your time.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 3:56 pm to DeafJam73
Not to off topic it, but what is the story on adding 36 fertilized eggs a day to your normal diet thing (Vince Gironda) being like a steroid cycle?
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:03 pm to zatetic
I’ve never purposefully eaten a fertilized eggs although I’m positive I have eaten some befor in my life. Either way, I like to break 5-7 day fasts with 36 raw eggs and it’s unbelievable. You feel incredible and yes it does feel very anabolic.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 4:56 pm to zatetic
I saw some skinny fat guy proclaiming that the other day on youtube. lol The only thing I can think is cholesterol is the basic building block of testosterone and other hormones?
Posted on 10/14/18 at 5:07 pm to lsu5803tiger
Well the guy was in the competitive scene for like a decade or so.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Gironda
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Gironda
Posted on 10/14/18 at 9:12 pm to zatetic
K, can’t wait for your before and after pics.
Posted on 10/14/18 at 9:14 pm to Hawgnsincebirth55
Why would anyone that's not competing do steroids? Seriously, how much of a goober do you have to be?
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