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Any advice for early 40’s white male having issues losing weight
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:43 pm
Right now I work out at a group training class type gym where I wear a heart rate monitor. Hour long workouts where I burn average of 950-1000 calories per week. Currently do 4 sessions every week and it’s a good mix of cardio and weights. I’m in my third month of this. Definitely eating better but do have cheat days.
I’m 6’3 and was at my fattest when I started at 235 pounds. I’m almost at three months and weighed in at 228 this morn. Which beats gaining more weight but I’m kind of discouraged bc I felt like I would have lost a little more. I get that me getting older makes it harder. Is there any supplements or anything else to do to help me along.
Also I have had sore muscles all over my body bc of these workouts last few mo this so I assume some muscle built and that could throw the weight loss number off.
Typical diet for weekdays is a quest bar and or eggs for breakfast, nuts or fruit for snack and a salad for lunch. Dinner is usually a grilled meat with greens or something along those lines. Weekends def kill me I need better will power there. I have cut back on drinking during week days though.
Anyway just looking for any tips on either diet or supplements (or even work out advice). More interested in weight loss than gaining a lot of muscle.
I’m 6’3 and was at my fattest when I started at 235 pounds. I’m almost at three months and weighed in at 228 this morn. Which beats gaining more weight but I’m kind of discouraged bc I felt like I would have lost a little more. I get that me getting older makes it harder. Is there any supplements or anything else to do to help me along.
Also I have had sore muscles all over my body bc of these workouts last few mo this so I assume some muscle built and that could throw the weight loss number off.
Typical diet for weekdays is a quest bar and or eggs for breakfast, nuts or fruit for snack and a salad for lunch. Dinner is usually a grilled meat with greens or something along those lines. Weekends def kill me I need better will power there. I have cut back on drinking during week days though.
Anyway just looking for any tips on either diet or supplements (or even work out advice). More interested in weight loss than gaining a lot of muscle.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 9:53 pm to GravelLotinCanada
Just remember that cheating is just cheating yourself. Give up the alcohol completely. Follow an Atkins type diet. Read the book “The Obesity Code”. 49’s is not old. Get into lap swimming. I lost 30 in 5 months doing just this. Get some walking in regularly. At least 3 times a week 2 miles each day.
Posted on 1/15/20 at 11:14 pm to GravelLotinCanada
A sensible rate of weight loss is 1 lb/week, so you're not too terribly far off that. Be really careful about your diet, cut out the cheating and keep up the exercise. See how that goes.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 6:11 am to GravelLotinCanada
If you’re slacking in the weekend, that’s 29% of the time and will certainly derail you. How’s Friday night, do you also consider that the weekend?
If you’re like me, the end of football season will help, but you need to limit your weekend “fun.” The magic for me was Sunday lifting - I do my major lift day on Sunday, and lifting usually forces me to eat better and not drink.
Don’t get too caught up in pounds lost, how are your clothes fitting? What’s the mirror say? At 6’3, you might carry 220 just fine.
If you’re like me, the end of football season will help, but you need to limit your weekend “fun.” The magic for me was Sunday lifting - I do my major lift day on Sunday, and lifting usually forces me to eat better and not drink.
Don’t get too caught up in pounds lost, how are your clothes fitting? What’s the mirror say? At 6’3, you might carry 220 just fine.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:14 am to GravelLotinCanada
Calorie tracking apps are notoriously inaccurate. For example, my watch tried to tell me I burned 350 calories during my interval rowing workout yesterday which was only 30m. bullshite.
Exercise is great for your health and can help a bit with weight loss but it should be an addition to your base nutrition plan that you're using to lose weight.
Are you tracking/logging your foods?
Based upon what you've said you're eating, your height and weight, and your activity level, you probably should be eating more food during the week and cutting back on the chest days and weekends. You're restricting so much during the week that it's unsustainable and you're "letting go" on weekends, undoing your hard work.
Exercise is great for your health and can help a bit with weight loss but it should be an addition to your base nutrition plan that you're using to lose weight.
Are you tracking/logging your foods?
Based upon what you've said you're eating, your height and weight, and your activity level, you probably should be eating more food during the week and cutting back on the chest days and weekends. You're restricting so much during the week that it's unsustainable and you're "letting go" on weekends, undoing your hard work.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 7:16 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:48 am to GravelLotinCanada
So I'm no nutritionist, nor a personal trainer, but here's my 30 second diagnosis.
I think you aren't working out hard enough. At 1000 cal/week estimate in the gym, 4 hour long sessions, that's 250 cal/hr. Walking for one hour should burn close to that for someone over 200 lb. A good, hour long gym session should be burning well over 400 cal even for someone out of shape.
If you're getting worn out in the gym (and post-gym) you may be at too much of a caloric deficit during the week. This would hit you in two ways as 1) your efficiency during workouts suffers and 2) your body tries to make up for it with even more cheating during the weekend.
Main change I would recommend is tweak your diet ever so slightly; replace your lunch salad with something similar to your dinner and add a carb to it on gym days (I recommend sweet potatoes). Add a protein shake between lunch and dinner.
Other things to consider:
Make sure you're cognizant of how much you're eating. Grilled protein and green veggies is fine for a meal; but not if it's 12 oz of protein and scarfing veggies until you're full. Vegetables have carbs and can hit you harder than you think.
Cheat meals are fine. 3 weekend days of cheating is not. I schedule one cheat meal a week and it's almost always Friday or Sat night; eating and drinking whatever I want. Obviously an occasional extra cheat will happen, but you've got to better refine your schedule. One cheat meal won't hurt much at all; one cheat day will heavily impact you; entire cheat weekends multiple times a month will be detrimental.
With regards to alcohol, YMMV and don't take anything anyone says to heart. You don't have to give up alcohol. If you do, it will help tremendously. However, I assure you, it's not what is holding you back (yet). Just make sure you're mindful of the carbs you're getting from each drink. Beer is obviously the worst; maybe switch to wine/whiskey when possible. If you make as many other changes as you can and still aren't getting the progress you want, that's when you start knocking out the booze for sure-fire results. But contrary to popular opinion, you can still hit your goals while enjoying a drink (or 3) on a Tuesday; and then again on Thursday; and then again on Saturday etc.
I think you aren't working out hard enough. At 1000 cal/week estimate in the gym, 4 hour long sessions, that's 250 cal/hr. Walking for one hour should burn close to that for someone over 200 lb. A good, hour long gym session should be burning well over 400 cal even for someone out of shape.
If you're getting worn out in the gym (and post-gym) you may be at too much of a caloric deficit during the week. This would hit you in two ways as 1) your efficiency during workouts suffers and 2) your body tries to make up for it with even more cheating during the weekend.
Main change I would recommend is tweak your diet ever so slightly; replace your lunch salad with something similar to your dinner and add a carb to it on gym days (I recommend sweet potatoes). Add a protein shake between lunch and dinner.
Other things to consider:
Make sure you're cognizant of how much you're eating. Grilled protein and green veggies is fine for a meal; but not if it's 12 oz of protein and scarfing veggies until you're full. Vegetables have carbs and can hit you harder than you think.
Cheat meals are fine. 3 weekend days of cheating is not. I schedule one cheat meal a week and it's almost always Friday or Sat night; eating and drinking whatever I want. Obviously an occasional extra cheat will happen, but you've got to better refine your schedule. One cheat meal won't hurt much at all; one cheat day will heavily impact you; entire cheat weekends multiple times a month will be detrimental.
With regards to alcohol, YMMV and don't take anything anyone says to heart. You don't have to give up alcohol. If you do, it will help tremendously. However, I assure you, it's not what is holding you back (yet). Just make sure you're mindful of the carbs you're getting from each drink. Beer is obviously the worst; maybe switch to wine/whiskey when possible. If you make as many other changes as you can and still aren't getting the progress you want, that's when you start knocking out the booze for sure-fire results. But contrary to popular opinion, you can still hit your goals while enjoying a drink (or 3) on a Tuesday; and then again on Thursday; and then again on Saturday etc.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 7:48 am to GravelLotinCanada
Problems i see
Are you weighing this? Because calories add up QUICKKKK
You are offsetting everything you do during the week if you are not counting cals on weekend
Tips/help
1)get my fitness pal app.. log EVERYTHING
2)get food scale, weigh EVERYTHING
3) dont go crazy on weekends, stick to it
4)dont have cheat (day) have a cheat meal. And dont go crazy with it, just eat something you enjoy that one meal. But i would wait until after about 6 weeks before i started any cheat meals.
5) hold yoursel accountable
Goodluck
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cheat days.
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nuts or fruit for snack
Are you weighing this? Because calories add up QUICKKKK
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Weekends def kill me
You are offsetting everything you do during the week if you are not counting cals on weekend
Tips/help
1)get my fitness pal app.. log EVERYTHING
2)get food scale, weigh EVERYTHING
3) dont go crazy on weekends, stick to it
4)dont have cheat (day) have a cheat meal. And dont go crazy with it, just eat something you enjoy that one meal. But i would wait until after about 6 weeks before i started any cheat meals.
5) hold yoursel accountable
Goodluck
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:16 am to GravelLotinCanada
I’m 43 and have been working out at what sounds like a similar place for a few years now. Here are my few thoughts:
1. 7 lbs of weight loss in a few months is nothing to shake a stick at. But odds are you have put on some muscle and have lost even more fat that that. Don’t focus so much on the scale, but rather on body composition, how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror, how you feel, etc. The rate at which you are able to put on muscle will slow as you continue to train, your added muscle will aid in metabolism, and then my guess is you will see more weight drop off as your training continues for several months.
2. IMO you are not burning enough calories during your workouts. I have similar measurements to you (6’4” 237 - pre holiday weight was 226 which was a great weight for me) and I burn between 800-1100 calories per workout as measured by my strap/program. None of the monitors are 100% accurate and every person is different, but you and I are so far apart something is off. My advice, lift heavier. Amazing what a few sets of heavy deadlifts or squats will do for your heart rate. I will add that my gym is more lifting and core than direct cardio (a lot of the cardio is sort of a byproduct of the strength training).
3. If you are focused on weight loss, diet is absolutely key. As you can tell by my recent weight gain, I allow myself some liberties in terms of drinking and eating. But if you really want the numbers to drop, pay close attention to what you eat (and often more importantly, what you drink).
4. All of this is anecdotal based on my experience but due to our similarities I feel like it might be helpful to you.
1. 7 lbs of weight loss in a few months is nothing to shake a stick at. But odds are you have put on some muscle and have lost even more fat that that. Don’t focus so much on the scale, but rather on body composition, how your clothes fit, how you look in the mirror, how you feel, etc. The rate at which you are able to put on muscle will slow as you continue to train, your added muscle will aid in metabolism, and then my guess is you will see more weight drop off as your training continues for several months.
2. IMO you are not burning enough calories during your workouts. I have similar measurements to you (6’4” 237 - pre holiday weight was 226 which was a great weight for me) and I burn between 800-1100 calories per workout as measured by my strap/program. None of the monitors are 100% accurate and every person is different, but you and I are so far apart something is off. My advice, lift heavier. Amazing what a few sets of heavy deadlifts or squats will do for your heart rate. I will add that my gym is more lifting and core than direct cardio (a lot of the cardio is sort of a byproduct of the strength training).
3. If you are focused on weight loss, diet is absolutely key. As you can tell by my recent weight gain, I allow myself some liberties in terms of drinking and eating. But if you really want the numbers to drop, pay close attention to what you eat (and often more importantly, what you drink).
4. All of this is anecdotal based on my experience but due to our similarities I feel like it might be helpful to you.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:29 am to Putty
You guys really, REALLY should stop paying attention to the calories burned measurements on all devices. Really. All of them. They're horribly inaccurate and vary greatly from one tracker to the next, one brand to the next.
The fact is if you're not losing the weight you want to you're eating too much. The problem I see is that the OP is heavily restricting during the week, feeling miserable, then unbuckling on the weekend. I've been there before - you need to find something more stable. So instead of consuming 1500 calories/day during the week then 3500 calories/day on the weekend, eat 2200 calories/day every day and if you want to you can fit little treats in here and there.
The fact is if you're not losing the weight you want to you're eating too much. The problem I see is that the OP is heavily restricting during the week, feeling miserable, then unbuckling on the weekend. I've been there before - you need to find something more stable. So instead of consuming 1500 calories/day during the week then 3500 calories/day on the weekend, eat 2200 calories/day every day and if you want to you can fit little treats in here and there.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 8:30 am
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:58 am to Hulkklogan
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You guys really, REALLY should stop paying attention to the calories burned measurements on all devices.
I agree with this. I use mine primarily for the heart rate detail and to track my time working out.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 9:18 am to GravelLotinCanada
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Weekends def kill me I need better will power there. I have cut back on drinking during week days though.
I'm not trying to be a jerk, but you've already provided a big answer to your question.
Beyond that, how wedded are you to the group class? There are more efficient options, but if the group setting motivates you, it's better than trying solo stuff and not doing it.
Finally, on diet, try to weigh out consistent portions. It helps a lot with adjustments when you have numbers to adjust from.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:15 am to GravelLotinCanada
I've had similar struggles in the past. The best things to remember...alcohol and wheat (any source of wheat...nutrition bars, pasta, etc...) are not your friends if you are trying to lose weight.
Every day you cheat, makes it easier to lose momentum...one day of cheating can literally undo a week's worth of healthy eating.
Every day you cheat, makes it easier to lose momentum...one day of cheating can literally undo a week's worth of healthy eating.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:17 am to Popths
quote:
Give up the alcohol completely.
I haven’t had a drink since NYE and I’ve lost 15. I know most of that is water weight but still, no alcohol is like a cheat code
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:53 am to GravelLotinCanada
Went hard into weightlifting and gained weight.
Went hard running this past Summer and lost about 2 pounds
Did Keto for 2 months with minimal activity, lost 15 pounds.
Many have mentioned it here, diet is 90% of it. Cut out the alcohol, sugars and as many carbs as possible. If drinking, stay away from beer.
Went hard running this past Summer and lost about 2 pounds
Did Keto for 2 months with minimal activity, lost 15 pounds.
Many have mentioned it here, diet is 90% of it. Cut out the alcohol, sugars and as many carbs as possible. If drinking, stay away from beer.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:22 pm to GravelLotinCanada
A lot of good advice in here. I went through this at the beginning of the year after reaching the heaviest I had ever been after our first child (not fat by any means-but all clothes were tight). Here's what helped me:
1. No alcohol. None. You can add it back in slowly later when you hit your goal, but it is detrimental in several ways.
2. No or very low carbs for a while (and not a bunch of fat, either). Grilled chicken or fish, squash, zucchini, asparagus, etc. Add non-processed and non-white carbs back in slowly (wild rice, sweet potatoes, etc.). Peanut butter is your friend when you get a sweet craving or need a quick, cheap meal replacement.
3. No cheating.
4. Drink a lot of water.
5. More running (or other cardio). Less weights. 3 days of nothing but cardio and 2 days of an outdoor crossfit type work-out. If you only have time for 4 sessions per week, make 3 of them cardio.
I dropped about 20 lbs. doing this between April and May last year. 1-4 actually probably did the most for me. They were started earlier because of work obligations that ate up about 80 hours per week in April. I lost more weight simply doing that those than when I added in more exercise in May.
1. No alcohol. None. You can add it back in slowly later when you hit your goal, but it is detrimental in several ways.
2. No or very low carbs for a while (and not a bunch of fat, either). Grilled chicken or fish, squash, zucchini, asparagus, etc. Add non-processed and non-white carbs back in slowly (wild rice, sweet potatoes, etc.). Peanut butter is your friend when you get a sweet craving or need a quick, cheap meal replacement.
3. No cheating.
4. Drink a lot of water.
5. More running (or other cardio). Less weights. 3 days of nothing but cardio and 2 days of an outdoor crossfit type work-out. If you only have time for 4 sessions per week, make 3 of them cardio.
I dropped about 20 lbs. doing this between April and May last year. 1-4 actually probably did the most for me. They were started earlier because of work obligations that ate up about 80 hours per week in April. I lost more weight simply doing that those than when I added in more exercise in May.
This post was edited on 1/16/20 at 12:30 pm
Posted on 1/16/20 at 12:37 pm to GravelLotinCanada
It's not any harder to lose weight as you get older, just have to account for what your metabolism is. Studies actually show your bmr only drops about 20 calories per decade. So no the issue is, like the studies show, your lack of activity as you age.
So #1 start moving around more- seems like you did do this
#2 start tracking your calories and macros- bottom line is you are eating too damn much for your current activity level.
You don't have any problems except you are eating too much. Learn how to weight and track food.
So #1 start moving around more- seems like you did do this
#2 start tracking your calories and macros- bottom line is you are eating too damn much for your current activity level.
You don't have any problems except you are eating too much. Learn how to weight and track food.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 3:47 pm to GravelLotinCanada
Cut out any processed food. That Quest bar has 23g of carbs. That's to many, especially for breakfast, and is the wrong kind of carb. Quit all of the protein bars. Go low carb and low saturated fat (not low fat, just low saturated fat).
Stick to eggs for breakfast or, better yet, quit breakfast and go on a 16:8 intermittent fasting regime. First meal at noon, last food at 8. I did this and lost about 8 pounds in 6 weeks. Workouts during that time were walking and tennis.
Alcohol --- cut it down to 1-2 days a week, two servings on those days. Drink herbal tea at night (naturally caffeine free).
Stick to eggs for breakfast or, better yet, quit breakfast and go on a 16:8 intermittent fasting regime. First meal at noon, last food at 8. I did this and lost about 8 pounds in 6 weeks. Workouts during that time were walking and tennis.
Alcohol --- cut it down to 1-2 days a week, two servings on those days. Drink herbal tea at night (naturally caffeine free).
Posted on 1/16/20 at 8:37 pm to Hulkklogan
To your point, what is an estimate to the amount of calories burned performing something like a Greyskull deadlift routine? Squats? Or presses? Assuming your at the top end on your working sets.
It’s hard to find anything on that to factor in to the intake/burn equation.
It’s hard to find anything on that to factor in to the intake/burn equation.
Posted on 1/16/20 at 11:52 pm to Macavity92
quote:Agree with most everything except the saturated fat part. I would say have a plenty of saturated fat.
Cut out any processed food. That Quest bar has 23g of carbs. That's to many, especially for breakfast, and is the wrong kind of carb. Quit all of the protein bars. Go low carb and low saturated fat (not low fat, just low saturated fat).
Stick to eggs for breakfast or, better yet, quit breakfast and go on a 16:8 intermittent fasting regime. First meal at noon, last food at 8. I did this and lost about 8 pounds in 6 weeks. Workouts during that time were walking and tennis.
Alcohol --- cut it down to 1-2 days a week, two servings on those days. Drink herbal tea at night (naturally caffeine free).
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