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re: 50 miles vs 315 power clean
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:50 am to Andychapman13
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:50 am to Andychapman13
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Some people just see these fetes as impossible themselves therefore will dog you no matter what.
Impossible, absolutely not. Improbable, especially for a person that has a job, family, etc, definitely.
Maybe he can do it, doesn't make any difference to me, but if you can truly do something that maybe .1% of people on the planet can do I don't know why you'd be surprised when people are skeptical.
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Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:52 am to Andychapman13
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Running 50 ain’t that hard
The narrator determined this is a lie.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:56 am to lsu777
Lsu777, I totally get it. I’ve always been reluctant to post my stuff bc I know it’s an internet message board.
Heres my history and my case:
—Genetically I got big legs. I squatted 335 @ 14. 635@18. Played 1year of d3 football.
D1 talent, D3 work ethic
—my dad is an endurance athlete that has multiple Boston marathons, sub 19hr 100milers, some type of Ironman Clydesdale courdelain Idaho course record, etc
—I ruptured my left patellar 3.5 years ago playing basketball at my firehouse. Laid up for 8 months and did ALOT of reading on HYBRID ATHLETES and for the first time understood FREQUENCY AND RECOVERY.
I could go on and on about this stuff and the mindset of do “ultra” but I got a lot of people around me that said I wouldn’t be able to lift and run like I was doing pre patellar injury. So there’s that.
Heres my history and my case:
—Genetically I got big legs. I squatted 335 @ 14. 635@18. Played 1year of d3 football.
D1 talent, D3 work ethic
—my dad is an endurance athlete that has multiple Boston marathons, sub 19hr 100milers, some type of Ironman Clydesdale courdelain Idaho course record, etc
—I ruptured my left patellar 3.5 years ago playing basketball at my firehouse. Laid up for 8 months and did ALOT of reading on HYBRID ATHLETES and for the first time understood FREQUENCY AND RECOVERY.
I could go on and on about this stuff and the mindset of do “ultra” but I got a lot of people around me that said I wouldn’t be able to lift and run like I was doing pre patellar injury. So there’s that.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 9:58 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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but if you can truly do something that maybe .1% of people on the planet can do I don't know why you'd be surprised when people are skeptical.
“I can throw this football over that mountain over there”. I get what you’re saying, I’m just letting you know that I know the dude and he’s not lying.
I have:
Set the record most pins in a HS wrestling career in LA history(‘98-2010)
Won a National Championship in BJJ (Grapplers Quest US Nationals 2010)
Won a body building comp in weight class and the all around (Power Shack Classic 2011)
Done an Ironman (IM Santa Rosa 2019)
And run 100 miles straight (Red Dirt Ultra)
And my username is my real name so y’all can go Google all that if you don’t believe me.
Anything is possible if you stay addicted to the grind!
Posted on 3/23/21 at 10:16 am to lsu777
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This is me, much more impressed by strength movements. I was a big time runner until high school where i discovered my love for lifting. I still ran a mile 2-3 times a week while at LSU. In the army i always maxed pushups and situps easily and would barely max the run. I grew to despise the run, hated every minute and hated that it represented an energy system and skill that I would never use in my job. I have zero desire to run more than sprints and see it as an ineffecient waste of time. Now I am extremely impressed with the mental side and the dark place one must go to be able to run 50 miles in any decent time.
I’m good for a mile. Anything more than that, I’m driving. I’d rather be quick and explosive. I just have zero reason to run. I prefer carries, rucking and sprints. Those are all more applicable to my personal and competition needs.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 11:48 am to Macrell
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Macrell
If Andy says you can, then I beleive you. just see bs posted all over the net so I am skeptical.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:07 pm to Sanchez425
This is such a hard comparison simply because you can either PC 315 or you can’t.
There are different levels of “running” 50 miles.
I know a lot more people that can PC 315 than can actually run (as in like sub 7 pace) 50 miles.
Therefore I’ll have to go with running 50 miles.
There are different levels of “running” 50 miles.
I know a lot more people that can PC 315 than can actually run (as in like sub 7 pace) 50 miles.
Therefore I’ll have to go with running 50 miles.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:21 pm to Salmon
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I know a lot more people that can PC 315 than can actually run (as in like sub 7 pace) 50 miles.
Hold on now! Running 50 miles at a sub 7:00 pace is insane. Running a marathon at a 7:00 pace basically gets you a sub 3 marathon which is elite! I think running 50 sub 10:00(of course it all depends on terrain-hilly, flat, trail, pavement, etc is quite an accomplishment. Running 50 miles sub 7:00 would give you a course record almost anywhere. Outside of Zach Bitter and Walmsley idk any of people who can do that.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:38 pm to Andychapman13
There are a lot of factors in a 50...terrain, elevation, managing your in race nutrition. A lot of things can go south that are beyond your control.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 12:47 pm to lsu777
Lsu777, i understand completely. Personally I think y’all are giving waaaaaaaay to much credence to the 50 mile distance. My distance PR before my first 50k/31mi was 18 miles during training. At the time I was lifting regularly (5/3/1) And running 2-3 times a week. I totally agree with Andy on the 50 not being bad. TBH I’ve straight up halfassed my training for these ultras. Rarely do I go further than 20 miles on a given day. However I hammer hills hills and more hills. That, IMO, is how I’ve kept 75-80% of my max effort strength. To me “ultra” is more of a test of joint durability and raw resilience. Just my opinion. Since November I’ve done a 50k(31mi), 40mi, 50mi, 100k(62mi) and a 65isher this coming weekend. All at 240ish lbs.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:06 pm to Macrell
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To me “ultra” is more of a test of joint durability and raw resilience
100% and i have no desire to have that kind of mental fortitude. frick all that.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:23 pm to Macrell
Macrell
I don't think there is an right answer to this question. they are simply too different. I agree 50 miler isn't that difficult until you start putting time a cut off. You're subtle brag about having done several utlras since novemeber is great based on durability especially at 240lb but if your 50 mile PR is sub 12 ( so i assume in the 11hr range) which i think you stated earlier, may be why you say they aren't that hard.
I don't think there is an right answer to this question. they are simply too different. I agree 50 miler isn't that difficult until you start putting time a cut off. You're subtle brag about having done several utlras since novemeber is great based on durability especially at 240lb but if your 50 mile PR is sub 12 ( so i assume in the 11hr range) which i think you stated earlier, may be why you say they aren't that hard.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:25 pm to lsu777
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100% and i have no desire to have that kind of mental fortitude. frick all that.
A shite ton of good training will get you to mile 70-80. At that point you have to have a “break on through to the other side” moment to get to 100. To me it was simply- “the difference between being a hero and a loser (however one measures that) is greater than the 8-9 more hours of suffering in front of you”. Once you come to that conclusion you just keep moving!
Posted on 3/23/21 at 1:35 pm to Andychapman13
quote:That aspect of ultrarunning is really intriguing to me but I can't run anymore. Do you (or anyone) know if there's anything equivalent in the hiking world? As in long-distance timed events with other competitors?
“the difference between being a hero and a loser (however one measures that) is greater than the 8-9 more hours of suffering in front of you”. Once you come to that conclusion you just keep moving!
Posted on 3/23/21 at 2:07 pm to ks_nola
Ks Nola
You’re correct in there’s no one simple answer. Understanding YOURE body and how it operates is a very broad spectrum and is critical to “going the distance”.
And yeah it’s a not so subtle brag I guess haha but I’ll counter with that ultra has been the most humbling experience of my life. Seeing overweight women go out for more after I’ve been long finished takes my soul every time.
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I have not done “100”. But everything Andy says I agree with. Personally, when I cross the 30-35 mile mark I feel like I could go forever. Just a steady suffer.
You’re correct in there’s no one simple answer. Understanding YOURE body and how it operates is a very broad spectrum and is critical to “going the distance”.
And yeah it’s a not so subtle brag I guess haha but I’ll counter with that ultra has been the most humbling experience of my life. Seeing overweight women go out for more after I’ve been long finished takes my soul every time.
Edit:
I have not done “100”. But everything Andy says I agree with. Personally, when I cross the 30-35 mile mark I feel like I could go forever. Just a steady suffer.
This post was edited on 3/23/21 at 2:09 pm
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:30 pm to northshorebamaman
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Do you (or anyone) know if there's anything equivalent in the hiking world? As in long-distance timed events with other competitors
I can only think of 2 options, and neither are exactly what you want.
1. 200 milers. Bigfoot (WA), Tahoe, and Moab. The elites are running the entire time but most do some combo of run/hike/crawl. It would give you a timed event, "competition", lots of support, and spectacular scenery.
2. FKTs. They are not organized, typically solo, and work on an honor system (with documentation). Most sub 100 mi distances are just ultra runners racking up internet fame. 100-1000+ mi distances could be hiked and still competitive, and induce similar mental walls that you get running ultras.
Posted on 3/23/21 at 6:42 pm to Pisgah Pete
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I can only think of 2 options, and neither are exactly what you want.
1. 200 milers. Bigfoot (WA), Tahoe, and Moab. The elites are running the entire time but most do some combo of run/hike/crawl. It would give you a timed event, "competition", lots of support, and spectacular scenery.
Just checked out the Bigfoot 200. It's already sold out and honestly that's way more than I can chew right now but they do have shorter events. Now I'm thinking of signing up for the 20 miler around Mt St Helens this summer. I'm only an hour away so it's easily doable.Posted on 3/23/21 at 7:58 pm to Macrell
Good luck this weekend
Posted on 3/23/21 at 8:24 pm to Pisgah Pete
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2. FKTs. They are not organized, typically solo, and work on an honor system (with documentation). Most sub 100 mi distances are just ultra runners racking up internet fame. 100-1000+ mi distances could be hiked and still competitive, and induce similar mental walls that you get running ultras.
I’m reading a book now called North by Scott Jurek about his FKT attempt of the Appalachian Trail.
Posted on 3/24/21 at 6:45 am to OysterPoBoy
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I’m reading a book now called North by Scott Jurek about his FKT attempt of the Appalachian Trail.
Jurek actually set the record for the Appalachian Trail and has since been beat by Karl Metzler aka “The Speedgoat”. It only took him 45 days and 22 hours!??
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