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re: LIV Golf Tour's Saudi PIF has large stake in "PGA Tour Fan Shop" and Fanatics
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:06 pm to Tyga Woods
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:06 pm to Tyga Woods
Yes; yes they did.
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Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:06 pm to MrLSU
Posted on 6/13/22 at 10:21 pm to CBandits82
I want to know what the medias response would be to just answers of “I’m an independent contractor and I’m going to play where I’m paid the most. If the PGA would like to match their prize money I’m open to playing on that tour.”
Posted on 6/14/22 at 5:26 am to MrLSU
The turn tables 
Posted on 6/14/22 at 5:46 am to MrLSU
Haha you can’t fire shots when you are dirty as well.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:10 am to MrLSU
I'm confused. Doesn't that article say that the PIF is a backer of Fanatics? So couldn't the Tour have signed an agreement for Fanatics to manage it (like every other league has), then Fanatics got an investment from the PIF?
Ah, gotcha journalism. At least the Saudis can make a return from this investment while the LIV is the same as burning $4 billion
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With that virtuous flex, we decided to review the PGA Tour’s partners and take a peek behind the curtains – making sure they’re not hypocrites.
Ah, gotcha journalism. At least the Saudis can make a return from this investment while the LIV is the same as burning $4 billion
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 8:17 am
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:20 am to MrLSU
The PGA tour hate in here is surprising
And this PGA tour fan shop affiliation is weak at best. Fanatics runs the merch shop for nearly everyone.. Olympics ...NBA ... Even our beloved respective SEC team. The PGA tour just happens to do business with a private business that does business with Saudi Arabia. Should the PGA Tour have clauses or awareness of the third party relationships? Maybe but I don't know that they have the administrative oversight to handle all that ( Norman was already saying the Players Championship should be the Administrative Championship)
Let's also clarify that we are talking about the "Fan Shop" and not the PGA Tour Superstore... Though not too dissimilar but the Superstores are owned by Arthur Blank ( Home Depot/Falcons etc)
Yes the PGA Tour did "release" some players to play an event in Saudi Arabia, and did so during the Pebble Beach event. Doesn't mean the PGA Tour condones or condemns anything, it's just a matter of historical protocol ( independent contractors and all being independent contractors) but the PGA tour did also get requirements to be met in that those that played in SA opposite Pebble had to agree to play Pebble X amount of times out of y number of years ( PGA Tour looking out for the best interest of it's events/ sponsors)
And this PGA tour fan shop affiliation is weak at best. Fanatics runs the merch shop for nearly everyone.. Olympics ...NBA ... Even our beloved respective SEC team. The PGA tour just happens to do business with a private business that does business with Saudi Arabia. Should the PGA Tour have clauses or awareness of the third party relationships? Maybe but I don't know that they have the administrative oversight to handle all that ( Norman was already saying the Players Championship should be the Administrative Championship)
Let's also clarify that we are talking about the "Fan Shop" and not the PGA Tour Superstore... Though not too dissimilar but the Superstores are owned by Arthur Blank ( Home Depot/Falcons etc)
Yes the PGA Tour did "release" some players to play an event in Saudi Arabia, and did so during the Pebble Beach event. Doesn't mean the PGA Tour condones or condemns anything, it's just a matter of historical protocol ( independent contractors and all being independent contractors) but the PGA tour did also get requirements to be met in that those that played in SA opposite Pebble had to agree to play Pebble X amount of times out of y number of years ( PGA Tour looking out for the best interest of it's events/ sponsors)
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:27 am to MrLSU
What’s Chamblee’s and PGA’s position on the UAE banning that Disney movie because to cartoon bitches have a kissing scene?
Do they also hate the UAE because homosexual activity is illegal? Smdh
Do they also hate the UAE because homosexual activity is illegal? Smdh
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:39 am to SuperOcean
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The PGA tour hate in here is surprising
I find it crazy too. I have always loved the PGA tour. Not saying they were perfect, but I feel people want to hold them to that perfect standard in here and it is ridiculous. The rooting for this new golf tour and Greg Norman of all people is really nuts.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:52 am to SuperOcean
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The PGA tour hate in here is surprising
The PGA commissioner and his lap dogs in the media have resorted to attacking the players on the LIV Tour based on morality. They have made personal attacks on the players character and last night Brandel Chamblee even mocked Bryson DeChambeau’s Christianity.
The actions of the PGA and their media have turned me to the side of the LIV players.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 8:58 am to Choupique19
And the 9-11 families narrative is such an over reach. I’m currently listening to Rory’s press conference and they are asking him about 9-11, which has absolutely zero to do with him. The press is leading Rory to admonish to other players.
Will someone ask Rory why he is playing tournaments in the United States of America, which was built on the back of slave labor and on land stolen by the innocent indiginous people? I’ve been told the United States is the most evil white supremest establishment in the world. Why is Rory sport washing for the USA?
Will someone ask Rory why he is playing tournaments in the United States of America, which was built on the back of slave labor and on land stolen by the innocent indiginous people? I’ve been told the United States is the most evil white supremest establishment in the world. Why is Rory sport washing for the USA?
Posted on 6/14/22 at 9:44 am to Choupique19
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The rooting for this new golf tour and Greg Norman of all people is really nuts[quote]
As it's been said in another post Greg Norman is an insufferable prick and always has been. Great golfer but 10x better at being a prick. I think it was telling that on the first tee of the inaugural event...Greg Norman has a Greg Norman Shark logo hat. Not an LIV hat but his own brand. He is CEO of "Greg Norman's Interest" first and foremost and probably always will be
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The PGA commissioner and his lap dogs in the media have resorted to attacking the players on the LIV Tour based on morality. They have made personal attacks on the players character and last night Brandel Chamblee even mocked Bryson DeChambeau’s Christianity.
The actions of the PGA and their media have turned me to the side of the LIV players.
I can't explain Chamblee. So I won't even try.
The commissioner is in a PR battle because he can't win a money battle ( nor could the ....NFL or NBA if the Saudis wanted that league) but he knows that the Saudi league isn't too develop golf: it's to develop a new view of the Saudis and to make Greg Norman god emperor of an elite league. I don't agree with every thing The commissioner has said ( the way he's said it basically) but agree with the overarching thoughts. I do feel that he has taken some of the defections as personal...and some were: Phil called him outrageously greedy but then jumped at 200 million. (phils assessment of the PGA tour NIL valuation... yeshhh)
Maybe not the best way to go about it ( attack players...and only specific ones) but not sure that it's entirely incorrect ( manner and truth)
Posted on 6/14/22 at 9:49 am to SuperOcean
quote:He "knows" this does he? Is that why the league treats the players so well and the caddies? Because it's not about development?
he knows that the Saudi league isn't too develop golf: it's to develop a new view of the Saudis and to make Greg Norman god emperor of an elite league.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:07 am to ell_13
ell you actually are very level headed so I will ask you
What is LIVs plan for the development of the future golfer? Pray the PGA stays around so they can leverage everything the PGA has done so well to develop young golf talent into what we see tkday?
Or so they have their own plan? As of now all I see is they have the Asian tour. If that’s their plan that ain’t that great
What is LIVs plan for the development of the future golfer? Pray the PGA stays around so they can leverage everything the PGA has done so well to develop young golf talent into what we see tkday?
Or so they have their own plan? As of now all I see is they have the Asian tour. If that’s their plan that ain’t that great
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:13 am to ell_13
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He "knows" this does he? Is that why the league treats the players so well and the caddies? Because it's not about development?
Yeah..he does Though I don't know him personally I suspect he smart enough to grasp the bigger picture and he has interactions with the parties involved
As for your argument about the way players and caddies are treated. Caddies and players are treated no better ...Norman has actual contracts binding his players but you seem to be focused on the benefit and treatment of the players that opted for the Saudi tour"those poor souls that can't get to have it all" No in my opinion. Monihan and the PGA Tour owe them nothing but a "thanks for the memories" They are directly promoting a rival to the betterment of the PGA tour players and caddies
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:14 am to SDwhodat
This speaks to why Charles' show on TNT with Ernie, Kenny and Shaq, is so well liked. They sometimes disagree, go at it, but do so in a way that is likable. From what I caught on the Golf Channel yesterday, the line up was in lockstep. Although I'm conflicted on this issue, the groupthink was a major turnoff.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:22 am to lsupride87
quote:I only know what I see. I'm not going to pretend like the other poster to " know" that LIV doesn't care. I see them supporting young guys who would normally be struggling to make ends meet. How is that not good for development?
What is LIVs plan for the development of the future golfer? Pray the PGA stays around so they can leverage everything the PGA has done so well to develop young golf talent into what we see tkday?
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:26 am to SuperOcean
quote:What a load of shite.
Yeah..he does Though I don't know him personally I suspect he smart enough to grasp the bigger picture and he has interactions with the parties involved
You admit you don't know him and just assume he's right when he says LIV doesn't care about development and all they want is to make Norman "god." Do you not realize how ridiculous you sound? You admit to assumptions then claim facts. quote:Right. Paying the caddies is not better. Paying all the players who play is not better. That must really suck since they make so much when they get cut on the PGA.
Caddies and players are treated no better ...Norman has actual contracts binding his players but you seem to be focused on the benefit and treatment of the players that opted for the Saudi tour"those poor souls that can't get to have it all"
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:32 am to Ham And Glass
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This speaks to why Charles' show on TNT with Ernie, Kenny and Shaq, is so well liked. They sometimes disagree, go at it, but do so in a way that is likable. From what I caught on the Golf Channel yesterday, the line up was in lockstep. Although I'm conflicted on this issue, the groupthink was a major turnoff.
They cut Barkley off when he was telling them he thinks are wrong to attack Phil personally, then they threw in a rhetorical question so that they got the last word in.
Just now they were showing Brooks’ press conference and they cut away when he was in the middle of a comment griping about the media talking “LIV this, LIV that” instead of focusing on the US Open.
They will not allow another narrative to be heard. Do not forget that the Golf Channel is owned by NBC. It’s the way they do business.
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