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re: LIV Golf Tour's Saudi PIF has large stake in "PGA Tour Fan Shop" and Fanatics
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:34 am to Ham And Glass
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:34 am to Ham And Glass
quote:It was hilarious to watch them interrupt Chuck and try to get him to stop talking... tell him they were out of time... and then ask him about the NBA finals to try and deflect to another topic. Nothing was more obvious to show that they had marching orders and anything against the narrative that LIV=bad could not be broadcast.
From what I caught on the Golf Channel yesterday, the line up was in lockstep. Although I'm conflicted on this issue, the groupthink was a major turnoff.
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Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:34 am to ell_13
quote:I am talking about taking a golfer from 6 years old and getting them to pro golf
I see them supporting young guys who would normally be struggling to make ends meet. How is that not good for development?
What junior development, tours, etc will LIV have? Or do they hope PGA stays around to develop all the talent and then they pay them off?
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 10:36 am
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:37 am to lsupride87
quote:Again, I'm not going to pretend to know this. Not sure anyone does. My gripe has been how the PGA deals with its newest members and those who are attempting to survive on tour until they figure it out. It's no secret anymore that the PGA has a ton of money they could use to better support those guys who don't shoot up leader boards immediately like Burns.
What junior development, tours, etc will LIV have? Or do they hope PGA stays around to develop all the talent and then they pay them off?
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:40 am to ell_13
quote:The problem is, the superstars are bitching because they are the ones saying they need the guaranteed income…..
It's no secret anymore that the PGA has a ton of money they could use to better support those guys who don't shoot up leader boards immediately like Burns.
What you are asking for is the exact opposite of what the LIV players were asking of the PGA. It’s the same with any sports league. The people that make up the Union, or voting block, are the established pros. They will look out for the interests of where they are currently, and the plight of the younger player remains
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:44 am to lsupride87
quote:Who's to say everyone isn't bitching? The superstars get the microphones. Just because a few have the same opinion as the guys low on the totem pole, doesn't mean the opinion is a bad one.
The problem is, the superstars are bitching because they are the ones saying they need the guaranteed income…..
quote:What? In any pro sports league, the up and comers are taken care of... more recently baseball where it can still be a struggle in rookie ball, but even that has come a long way where AA and AAA players make plenty of money. But remember even those guys have had their travel paid for for decades. Soccer is lucrative, basketball, even the lower NFL leagues do decently well for their players. The practice squad guys do well, too.
What you are asking for is the exact opposite of what the LIV players were asking of the PGA. It’s the same with any sports league. The people that make up the Union, or voting block, are the established pros. They will look out for the interests of where they are currently, and the plite of the younger player remains
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 10:45 am
Posted on 6/14/22 at 10:54 am to ell_13
How are they going to take care of all of the young guys with a 48 man field? Seems limited in who they can take care of, especially if more big names move over there.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:04 am to JScoop8
quote:Growth and change should be inevitable in sports. LIV has a field size that currently works with who they can get to play. If the number of golfers interested increases, I assume the field could change as well. I don't think even LIV knows what it will look like in 3 or 5 years. They are trying things. The team aspect will likely change, too.
How are they going to take care of all of the young guys with a 48 man field? Seems limited in who they can take care of, especially if more big names move over there.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:09 am to ell_13
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Growth and change should be inevitable in sports. LIV has a field size that currently works with who they can get to play. If the number of golfers interested increases, I assume the field could change as well. I don't think even LIV knows what it will look like in 3 or 5 years. They are trying things. The team aspect will likely change, too.
If they abandon the shotgun start and team play stuff, wouldn't that just basically be a replica of the current PGA? A lot of the people I see rooting for LIV are saying they love the new aspects and how many shots are being shown in a shorter amount of time. I guess I just don't see them changing that much which is why I don't think they're really going to help out the bottom line guys much either.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:15 am to JScoop8
quote:I don't think those will be abandoned. They'll be modified no doubt though. The team stuff is weird... teams change for every tournament. I don't think enough people will understand it to get into it but it's an interesting attempt to make golf a team sport in some way. It's a least a different take on the Zurich.
If they abandon the shotgun start and team play stuff, wouldn't that just basically be a replica of the current PGA? A lot of the people I see rooting for LIV are saying they love the new aspects and how many shots are being shown in a shorter amount of time. I guess I just don't see them changing that much which is why I don't think they're really going to help out the bottom line guys much either.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:24 am to ell_13
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Again, I'm not going to pretend to know this. Not sure anyone does. My gripe has been how the PGA deals with its newest members and those who are attempting to survive on tour until they figure it out. It's no secret anymore that the PGA has a ton of money they could use to better support those guys who don't shoot up leader boards immediately like Burns.
What happens to the 48 that committed to play to London event...when Bryson Fowler Reed Perez etc show up to Portland? With a fixed 48 field... There has to be some measure of " sorry but we are moving in a different direction" conversations to the lesser players that is going to be taking place It won't be the contract guys that stay home. And if.. Matsuyama or Smith or anyone else of current significance opts to leave then...who gets cut from the current Saudi roster?
The PGA tour does a TON to develop the game. Here in Jax... The first Tee course is pretty darn good for what it is. Then players have Korn Ferry or Monday qualifying as possible ways to get in. I just read about Morgan Hoffman and the allowances the Tour made to get him opportunities past his medical issues. No they don't cover trip expenses if you miss a cut ( but they do have a travel staff to help coordinate it if you do)
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:46 am to SuperOcean
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What happens to the 48 that committed to play to London event...when Bryson Fowler Reed Perez etc show up to Portland? With a fixed 48 field... There has to be some measure of " sorry but we are moving in a different direction" conversations to the lesser players that is going to be taking place It won't be the contract guys that stay home. And if.. Matsuyama or Smith or anyone else of current significance opts to leave then...who gets cut from the current Saudi roster?
I'd be interested to see the contracts the guys are signing. I'm sure there is language that addresses all of that, but I do wonder if they money they're reportedly getting paid is all guaranteed, if it only guaranteed for the big names, the terms of the deals, money received up front, etc. You'd also think a players union would be inevitable if this league has any staying power.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 11:56 am to MrLSU
The Saudi's also have major stakes or initial funding in dozens of Silicon Valley companies. Twitter, Snapchat, Uber, Lyft, etc...
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:11 pm to lsufball19
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What happens to the 48
Hasn’t part of the LIV’s pitch been flexibility?
Phil has said I want to play like 8 times a year. If the LIV can expand, it would allow stars to pick and choose while giving others opportunities.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:13 pm to extremetigerfanatic
So to ells point, how does LIV help a lower tier player once more stars join? They aren’t going to give guaranteed money to a lower tier player who may only get invited to 1 or 2 events
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:14 pm to extremetigerfanatic
And BTW the pearl clutching of OMG they are working with Saudis is laughable.
There is practically no one in our country that can honestly stand on that hill.
There is practically no one in our country that can honestly stand on that hill.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:20 pm to extremetigerfanatic
The most exciting part of LIV will be the court battle when all the players want to come back to the PGA tour.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:21 pm to lsupride87
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So to ells point, how does LIV help a lower tier player once more stars join? They aren’t going to give guaranteed money to a lower tier player who may only get invited to 1 or 2 events
Not to pick a fight. But that’s kinda obtuse.
A lower level guy allowed even just 4 tournaments would be guaranteed 500,000 dollars.
Even just two events is $250,000
That would be very enticing to struggling young pros if they could flip back and forth between tours.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:23 pm to TDTOM
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The most exciting part of LIV will be the court battle when all the players want to come back to the PGA tour.
I think the PGAs tax exempt status is also interesting.
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:27 pm to extremetigerfanatic
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What happens to the 48 that committed to play to London event...when Bryson Fowler Reed Perez etc show up to Portland? With a fixed 48 field... There has to be some measure of " sorry but we are moving in a different direction" conversations to the lesser players that is going to be taking place It won't be the contract guys that stay home. And if.. Matsuyama or Smith or anyone else of current significance opts to leave then...who gets cut from the current Saudi roster?
Some of the guys that played last week had a 1 tournament agreement. Some of them that will be bumped get paid their contract fee, but will have to play Asian Tour events.
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Hasn’t part of the LIV’s pitch been flexibility?
Phil has said I want to play like 8 times a year. If the LIV can expand, it would allow stars to pick and choose while giving others opportunities.
They don't have flexibility. They will be required to play every LIV event. This year is the only time that it's not required. It's just that they don't have to play 25 times a year, just the 15 or so events that LIV has.
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That would be very enticing to struggling young pros
Struggling young pros aren't getting in the LIV events if it gets established.
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The team stuff is weird... teams change for every tournament.
That wasn't the intent. The couldn't get all the guys they wanted and had to fill the field, hence the redrafts. But the South African team and the English team weren't even drafted, were formed prior, and will remain together.
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:29 pm to hehateme2285
If it expands to 20 events and the stars only want to have to play 8 times why wouldnt they get shots?
Who has said that? I haven’t heard that at all.
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They will be required to play every LIV event
Who has said that? I haven’t heard that at all.
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:30 pm
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