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re: Breaking 90s
Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:03 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Anyone who doesn't believe driver is the most impactful club in the bag just doesn't understand math.
I don’t think anyone is discounting driver here and yeah it is the second most impactful club in the bag besides the putter. But it can impact your game positively and negatively.. and on days that it ain’t work you have to have a backup plan.
That said I can hit my 7 wood 230+ so while yeah I lack a bit of distance but it ain’t killing me
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Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:09 pm to DarkDrifter
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yeah it is the second most impactful club in the bag besides the putter
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Anyone who doesn't believe driver is the most impactful club in the bag just doesn't understand math.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:10 pm to Tyga Woods
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learn how to hit the ball farther.
I mentioned in a thread last week that I had an "aha" moment of standing up straight when hitting driver instead of crouching...and that it has added distance and accuracy to my shots.
It has also shaved about 3-4 strokes off my score. Hitting 250-260 instead of 220-240 AND being fairly straight has made that big of a difference. I have forever been a 'bogey golfer". 90 has been like my personal par, which i would break maybe 30-40% of the time.
My last 4 rounds have been 85, 88, 86, 87. I don't think it is a coincidence. Approaching with 7i or 8i is much easier for me than 6i or 4/5 hybrid.
Posted on 8/11/26 at 6:14 pm to DarkDrifter
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But it can impact your game positively and negatively.. and on days that it ain’t work you have to have a backup plan.
I don’t think anyone disagrees with that but we all know people who “can’t hit their driver” and never try to fix why they can’t and habitually just sacrifice a ton of distance off the tee, which, over time, has a huge impact on their score.
Yeah, we all have days where one club isn’t working and we pivot to salvage a round. I have days where my full iron swing just feels awful and I’ll choke down, club up, and take a shorter back swing to get me through the day
This post was edited on 8/11/26 at 6:17 pm
Posted on 8/11/26 at 9:56 pm to lsufball19
I hear all yall are saying about the driver and probably agree.
That being said, when your wedge game is on and your putts are falling…. It feels good
That being said, when your wedge game is on and your putts are falling…. It feels good
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:17 am to DarkDrifter
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I don’t think anyone is discounting driver here and yeah it is the second most impactful club in the bag besides the putter.
When was the last time you saw someone putt OB or in a hazard?
You can be a 5 HC and be an avg putter
You cannot be avg distance off the tee and be a 5 HC, it just isn't happening
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when your wedge game is on and your putts are falling…. It feels good
Thats what that video with McCord was discussing. On a given day, a long hitter can find a short game, drop some putts and maybe drop a chip.
A short player off the tee with the same HC and a good short game cannot find a stroke to gain 30+ yards off the tee.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 6:18 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 6:36 am to BRsundog
I record fairways hit or greens hit on par 3’s
Number of putts each hole and three putts per side - if any
Lost balls if applicable
Bunkers
And enter it In ChatGPT and let it analyze it
Working on chipping before each round with purpose
I also use a handicap tracker
When I moved from La to Az my handicap was 12.3 then after moving it slowly climbed to 17 which I was bummed about - the courses have more elevation and side hill lies etc. currently it’s dropped to 15. It’s been a battle
Number of putts each hole and three putts per side - if any
Lost balls if applicable
Bunkers
And enter it In ChatGPT and let it analyze it
Working on chipping before each round with purpose
I also use a handicap tracker
When I moved from La to Az my handicap was 12.3 then after moving it slowly climbed to 17 which I was bummed about - the courses have more elevation and side hill lies etc. currently it’s dropped to 15. It’s been a battle
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:17 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 8:51 am to Gorilla Ball
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fairways hit
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Number of putts each hole
Both relatively useless stats.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:08 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Both relatively useless stats.
Agreed. A topped shot that reaches the fairway will look better in the stats than the longest drive you've ever hit that just missed by a foot. Also, you could have 25 putts one day and 35 the next, but the 35 putt day may have been better because you hit 10 more greens that day and had more putts from long distance.
Having said that, I still track putts, but that is because 3 putts are good to track and inputting the number of putts also indicates if you hit the green in regulation when combined with the score.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:11 am to LSUfan4444
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A short player off the tee with the same HC and a good short game cannot find a stroke to gain 30+ yards off the tee.
This makes logical sense but its a subject that has veered away from the OP about those trying to break 90.
There is no comparison to the skill level of a 5 hc and someone shooting 90. Someone shooting in the 90s needs to focus on hitting pure irons and short game. If they have a solid iron and short game they can break 90 playing nothing more than an 7 iron.
I think the reason people have trouble with the driver is because it is a different setup and swing than the irons. High handicappers should focus on perfecting the irons because that translates to more shots per round than the driver.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:12 am to DestrehanTiger
I typically won't record a topped drive that barely reaches the fairway as FIR. I record it as a mis-hit. I also record a good ball that's sitting a few feet off the fairway as a hit fairway, using the grint to record it all.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:16 am to JohnnyKilroy
If I top the ball and it makes it somehow to the fairway then I don’t mark it as a fairway hit.
I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t track putts per round. Reducing three putts matter
I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t track putts per round. Reducing three putts matter
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 9:20 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:20 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Both relatively useless stats.
I really only track score and GIR. GIR is the biggest indicator for me on how I played that day. Its a great stat because it generally takes a good tee shot AND approach shot (or just tee shot in the case of a par 3) to record a GIR. It connects everything- if driver is off, its going to be hard to hit greens, and if irons/wedges are off, again its going to be hard to make GIRs. When you're playing well, you'll rack up GIRs. I'm really not all that concerned about putting, it will be on or off depending on the day but as long as I'm hitting my GIR goal I'll have a chance to score well.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:52 am to Gorilla Ball
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I don’t understand why someone wouldn’t track putts per round.
Because it isn't a really actionable stat. You can track the amount of times you 3 putt, but overall putts per round really doesn't tell you much at all.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:56 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Because it isn't a really actionable stat. You can track the amount of times you 3 putt, but overall putts per round really doesn't tell you much at all.
I get what he is saying. If you are going to track 3 putts, you might as well put the number of putts in there. There are a few stats that are good indicators of other areas that can be easily tracked by just putting the number of putts:
- 3 putts
- Up and downs - If you put in the score and a 1 putt, it shows you successfully got up and down)
- GIR - when using digital means for stat tracking, you just put in the putts and score and it automatically indicates if you hit the green or not.
So, tracking putts can be helpful, but using total putts to analyze a round is pointless.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:59 am to BuckeyeGoon
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GIR is the biggest indicator for me on how I played that day. I
Yep. Of all the single "counting" stats, this is by miles and miles the most impactful.
The best putter in the world could have a really bad score if they barely hit any greens. A bad putter could put together a career round if they somehow hit 14-15 GIR.
For tee shots, I track the number that leaves me a shot at the green. As others have mentioned, you can be in the fairway and still not have a reasonable chance to hit the green. You can be in the rough and have an "easy" shot at the green.
From there it's all about GIR. If you want to score, you have to hit greens. Chip ins/up and downs are nice and you want to have some reasonable chance to do that when you're off the green, but even the best players in the world, over a large enough sample, are going to lose to a (worse) golfer who is on the green with a putt for birdie.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 9:59 am to fwtex
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This makes logical sense but its a subject that has veered away from the OP about those trying to break 90.
I disagree that is the point of the OP. This appears to be a question about how to break from the 80s (say being a 12-14 HC) to single digit or low single digit and I think the only way to do that is to get longer off the tee.
Yes, a 5 can get to a 1 by improving this putting but a 12 is not getting to a 7 by becoming a better putter.
OP....."Playing some of my best golf, which makes me think: how the hell would one get even better?!"
I guess I’m still having the occasional triple but it’s crazy the difference in playing from 80s- 100s but also from 70s to 80s.[/quote]
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Someone shooting in the 90s needs to focus on hitting pure irons and short game
He said he's breaking 90 so he's shooting in the 80s.
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High handicappers should focus on perfecting the irons because that translates to more shots per round than the driver.
Again, you're talking about getting under 90. OP is talking about going from the 80s to low 80s and 70's. You're not getting there by improving your ball striking.
This post was edited on 8/12/26 at 10:16 am
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:01 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Because it isn't a really actionable stat. You can track the amount of times you 3 putt, but overall putts per round really doesn't tell you much at all.
Additionally, if you want stats to improve upon you should be tracking the distance of the first and second putts that led to the 3 putt. That will give you some data to practice such as you're leaving 20-30 ft putts 5-8 feet short routinely.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:02 am to fwtex
quote:The high handicapper has more iron shots per round because they don't focus on driver
High handicappers should focus on perfecting the irons because that translates to more shots per round than the driver.
Posted on 8/12/26 at 10:14 am to JohnnyKilroy
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The high handicapper has more iron shots per round because they don't focus on driver
I'm not sure why there is such an aversion to learning how to hit driver in the golf world. So many people are under the impression that you can get around learning to hit a driver well by improving your short game instead, but the goal should be to get to a place where you dont rely on miraculous up and downs to make par. You're always going to better off working on every single thing tee to green instead of trying to improve one over the other.
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