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At what point do you criticize a course?
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:38 am
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:38 am
I play local courses in the greater BR area and went to a favorite of mine recently. I was a bit disappointed after paying an increased green fee and seeing the number of bald/bare spots on the greens.
For me, I think a course can be primo, but if the greens look like shite and you’re forced to move your ball to avoid putting thru dirt, then it sours the round.
For me, I think a course can be primo, but if the greens look like shite and you’re forced to move your ball to avoid putting thru dirt, then it sours the round.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:20 am to TaderSalad
Almost all courses are judged on their greens first and foremost. Most people don’t play the ball down in the fairway/rough anyway and you can put your ball on a tee on your first shot of each hole.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:13 pm to ell_13
2nd this. In order I look at the greens, then the bunkers (hate bare unmanicured bunkers), tee boxes, fairways. You can tell a lot about the course and the care with how the green and green side areas look and are manicured.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:00 pm to RawDog7984
The greens and surrounds truly are where the bulk of maintenance should be done.
Architects go wild with bunkering, but long term maintenance of each bunker can be $10,000 per year. Put 1 in each fairway and 2 by each green and you are at 54 bunkers. That’s a lot of money.
I think bunkers often are too complex as far as shape to be easily maintained. Round shapes that don’t washout do better. I’m an ok bunker player, but I think most redesigns fill some bunkers in to save on maintenance budget.
Architects go wild with bunkering, but long term maintenance of each bunker can be $10,000 per year. Put 1 in each fairway and 2 by each green and you are at 54 bunkers. That’s a lot of money.
I think bunkers often are too complex as far as shape to be easily maintained. Round shapes that don’t washout do better. I’m an ok bunker player, but I think most redesigns fill some bunkers in to save on maintenance budget.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:37 pm to TaderSalad
What course below would you value higher?
Course 1 - Perfectly manicured greens, decent tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, the beverage cart was barely seen and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round.
Course 2 - Decent greens (pitch marks, some disease on a few of them, etc), really good tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. You were never far from seeing a beverage cart, the cart paths were maintained, marshalls were a plenty and pace of play was not a problem.
I would chose Course 2. I think there is more to a course than just the greens, fairways and tee boxes. I look at the staff and how they present themselves, I look at the conditions of the cart paths, I look at the pro-shop and the apparel and then also see if they have a place to have some drinks afterwards. I would take a better atmosphere supporting the golf course than pristine conditions.
Course 1 - Perfectly manicured greens, decent tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, the beverage cart was barely seen and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round.
Course 2 - Decent greens (pitch marks, some disease on a few of them, etc), really good tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. You were never far from seeing a beverage cart, the cart paths were maintained, marshalls were a plenty and pace of play was not a problem.
I would chose Course 2. I think there is more to a course than just the greens, fairways and tee boxes. I look at the staff and how they present themselves, I look at the conditions of the cart paths, I look at the pro-shop and the apparel and then also see if they have a place to have some drinks afterwards. I would take a better atmosphere supporting the golf course than pristine conditions.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:58 pm to TaderSalad
Greens and tee boxes. Both can go to shite in the blink of an eye.
RTJ Capital Hill is where I’m a member and has a lot of rounds played on it. Greens are consistently great, tee boxes are. They rotate those tee locations and seed the daylights out of them to keep them top notch.
A few miles up the road is prattville county club. Tee boxes are like roadkill. There wasn’t a par 3 tee that wasn’t just dirt. Greens were overgrown and patchy. Fraction of the rounds played on it.
Cost to join, if I remember correctly $200 more for RTJ, although a $25 cart fee is charged every round.
Easy decision.
RTJ Capital Hill is where I’m a member and has a lot of rounds played on it. Greens are consistently great, tee boxes are. They rotate those tee locations and seed the daylights out of them to keep them top notch.
A few miles up the road is prattville county club. Tee boxes are like roadkill. There wasn’t a par 3 tee that wasn’t just dirt. Greens were overgrown and patchy. Fraction of the rounds played on it.
Cost to join, if I remember correctly $200 more for RTJ, although a $25 cart fee is charged every round.
Easy decision.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:52 pm to CHiPs25
I’d choose 1 and play very early to miss the slow play and bring my own drinks. But the price would also determine this.
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:06 pm to CHiPs25
Course 1 - Perfectly manicured greens
YES
decent tee boxes, YES
fairways and bunkers. YES
However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, I walk almost always
the beverage cart was barely seen
(Does not affect me)
and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round
(Only this would be bad for me)
YES
decent tee boxes, YES
fairways and bunkers. YES
However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, I walk almost always
the beverage cart was barely seen
(Does not affect me)
and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round
(Only this would be bad for me)
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:48 pm to TaderSalad
In my humble opinion, if you didn’t get fitted for the course prior to playing you have no room to criticize said course.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:49 am to TaderSalad
My order of criticism 1-3 need to be decent if I’m paying >$60/round. If they are in poor condition, I’ll either look for twilight deal or simply don’t play.
1. Greens
2. Non-level tee boxes
3. Fairways
4. Bunkers
1. Greens
2. Non-level tee boxes
3. Fairways
4. Bunkers
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:30 am to TaderSalad
quote:
At what point do you criticize a course?
After my first bad shot, so usually tee box #1.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:54 am to TaderSalad
A lot of the BR local courses I play have the issues but the one that get me the most is nobody is fixing divots. One course looks like some hit a bucket of balls to just about every green and did not fix their divots.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:35 am to TaderSalad
For me:
1. Pace of play- most important thing. Everything can be perfect but if I’m waiting to hit shots I don’t ever want to play that course again.
2. Greens
3. Bunkers and tee boxes
4. Clubhouse and grill
5. Fairways
1. Pace of play- most important thing. Everything can be perfect but if I’m waiting to hit shots I don’t ever want to play that course again.
2. Greens
3. Bunkers and tee boxes
4. Clubhouse and grill
5. Fairways
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:27 am to TaderSalad
According to most threads around here, every course is either
A. In good shape, but too expensive
B. In terrible shape.
C. (the rare well conditioned affordable course) Far too slow and it ruined the round.
Seems like the answer is always
A. In good shape, but too expensive
B. In terrible shape.
C. (the rare well conditioned affordable course) Far too slow and it ruined the round.
quote:
At what point do you criticize a course?
Seems like the answer is always
Posted on 10/22/24 at 5:22 pm to CHiPs25
I could give two craps about a cart path and I don’t even know what a beverage cart is.
I’ve never based my enjoyment of a course on a flipping cart filled with beverages.
I’ve never based my enjoyment of a course on a flipping cart filled with beverages.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:56 pm to ReeseWee
quote:
A lot of the BR local courses I play have the issues but the one that get me the most is nobody is fixing divots. One course looks like some hit a bucket of balls to just about every green and did not fix their divots.
Courses keeping full sand bottles and replacements at the turn should be the biggest bang for their buck. Like Jerry McGwire said “Help me help you!”
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:12 pm to TaderSalad
I think it's fair to criticize a course if you are pay a premium price to play there and the conditions are not commensurate with the price and/or what is expected based on the historical quality of the club/course.
If you pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to be a member of a private country club and the conditions deteriorate but your cost to be a member obviously doesn't go down, you have a right to gripe.
If you exclusively play public courses and you don't research beforehand the conditions or typical quality of the course, that's on you. The only time I think criticism is warranted in this situation are those places that have just aerified and don't tell you beforehand and charge you the same full rate as normal. Those people are scum of the earth.
Also, I couldn't give two shits about beverage carts, clubhouses, food, etc. I go to a golf course to play golf. Just have some water out there and that's enough. I'd rather a club put all their captial into improving/maintaining the quality of the golf course than anything related to food/bev.
If you pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to be a member of a private country club and the conditions deteriorate but your cost to be a member obviously doesn't go down, you have a right to gripe.
If you exclusively play public courses and you don't research beforehand the conditions or typical quality of the course, that's on you. The only time I think criticism is warranted in this situation are those places that have just aerified and don't tell you beforehand and charge you the same full rate as normal. Those people are scum of the earth.
Also, I couldn't give two shits about beverage carts, clubhouses, food, etc. I go to a golf course to play golf. Just have some water out there and that's enough. I'd rather a club put all their captial into improving/maintaining the quality of the golf course than anything related to food/bev.
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:40 pm to BRsundog
quote:
I could give two craps about a cart path and I don’t even know what a beverage cart is. I’ve never based my enjoyment of a course on a flipping cart filled with beverages.
Well good for you.
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