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At what point do you criticize a course?

Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:38 am
Posted by TaderSalad
mudbug territory
Member since Jul 2014
25102 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 10:38 am
I play local courses in the greater BR area and went to a favorite of mine recently. I was a bit disappointed after paying an increased green fee and seeing the number of bald/bare spots on the greens.

For me, I think a course can be primo, but if the greens look like shite and you’re forced to move your ball to avoid putting thru dirt, then it sours the round.

Posted by ell_13
Member since Apr 2013
86701 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 11:20 am to
Almost all courses are judged on their greens first and foremost. Most people don’t play the ball down in the fairway/rough anyway and you can put your ball on a tee on your first shot of each hole.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
1915 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 1:13 pm to
2nd this. In order I look at the greens, then the bunkers (hate bare unmanicured bunkers), tee boxes, fairways. You can tell a lot about the course and the care with how the green and green side areas look and are manicured.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18448 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:00 pm to
The greens and surrounds truly are where the bulk of maintenance should be done.

Architects go wild with bunkering, but long term maintenance of each bunker can be $10,000 per year. Put 1 in each fairway and 2 by each green and you are at 54 bunkers. That’s a lot of money.

I think bunkers often are too complex as far as shape to be easily maintained. Round shapes that don’t washout do better. I’m an ok bunker player, but I think most redesigns fill some bunkers in to save on maintenance budget.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
3012 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:37 pm to
What course below would you value higher?

Course 1 - Perfectly manicured greens, decent tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, the beverage cart was barely seen and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round.

Course 2 - Decent greens (pitch marks, some disease on a few of them, etc), really good tee boxes, fairways and bunkers. You were never far from seeing a beverage cart, the cart paths were maintained, marshalls were a plenty and pace of play was not a problem.

I would chose Course 2. I think there is more to a course than just the greens, fairways and tee boxes. I look at the staff and how they present themselves, I look at the conditions of the cart paths, I look at the pro-shop and the apparel and then also see if they have a place to have some drinks afterwards. I would take a better atmosphere supporting the golf course than pristine conditions.
Posted by llfshoals
Member since Nov 2010
19239 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 3:58 pm to
Greens and tee boxes. Both can go to shite in the blink of an eye.

RTJ Capital Hill is where I’m a member and has a lot of rounds played on it. Greens are consistently great, tee boxes are. They rotate those tee locations and seed the daylights out of them to keep them top notch.

A few miles up the road is prattville county club. Tee boxes are like roadkill. There wasn’t a par 3 tee that wasn’t just dirt. Greens were overgrown and patchy. Fraction of the rounds played on it.

Cost to join, if I remember correctly $200 more for RTJ, although a $25 cart fee is charged every round.

Easy decision.
Posted by RawDog7984
Member since Oct 2019
1915 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 4:52 pm to
I’d choose 1 and play very early to miss the slow play and bring my own drinks. But the price would also determine this.
Posted by makersmark1
earth
Member since Oct 2011
18448 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 7:06 pm to
Course 1 - Perfectly manicured greens
YES
decent tee boxes, YES
fairways and bunkers. YES

However, the cart paths were in terrible shape, I walk almost always
the beverage cart was barely seen
(Does not affect me)
and it was a slow round because they don't have a marshall ensuring fast pace of play, let's say 5 hour round
(Only this would be bad for me)
Posted by MileHighDraw
Member since May 2018
1877 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 8:48 pm to
In my humble opinion, if you didn’t get fitted for the course prior to playing you have no room to criticize said course.
Posted by Cannon856
Watson
Member since Nov 2019
854 posts
Posted on 10/21/24 at 9:05 pm to
What course was this?
Posted by BigNastyTiger417
Member since Nov 2021
4236 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:49 am to
My order of criticism 1-3 need to be decent if I’m paying >$60/round. If they are in poor condition, I’ll either look for twilight deal or simply don’t play.

1. Greens
2. Non-level tee boxes
3. Fairways
4. Bunkers
Posted by guedeaux
Member since Jan 2008
13723 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:30 am to
quote:

At what point do you criticize a course?


After my first bad shot, so usually tee box #1.
Posted by ReeseWee
Geismar, LA
Member since May 2019
513 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 7:54 am to
A lot of the BR local courses I play have the issues but the one that get me the most is nobody is fixing divots. One course looks like some hit a bucket of balls to just about every green and did not fix their divots.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
104038 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 9:35 am to
For me:

1. Pace of play- most important thing. Everything can be perfect but if I’m waiting to hit shots I don’t ever want to play that course again.

2. Greens

3. Bunkers and tee boxes

4. Clubhouse and grill

5. Fairways
Posted by icegator337
Lafayette
Member since Jan 2013
3644 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 10:27 am to
According to most threads around here, every course is either

A. In good shape, but too expensive
B. In terrible shape.
C. (the rare well conditioned affordable course) Far too slow and it ruined the round.

quote:

At what point do you criticize a course?

Seems like the answer is always
Posted by BRsundog
BR
Member since Feb 2020
368 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 5:22 pm to
I could give two craps about a cart path and I don’t even know what a beverage cart is.
I’ve never based my enjoyment of a course on a flipping cart filled with beverages.
Posted by shamrock
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2015
3921 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:11 pm to
Usually after a 3 putt
Posted by MikeD
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2004
7861 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 6:56 pm to
quote:

A lot of the BR local courses I play have the issues but the one that get me the most is nobody is fixing divots. One course looks like some hit a bucket of balls to just about every green and did not fix their divots.


Courses keeping full sand bottles and replacements at the turn should be the biggest bang for their buck. Like Jerry McGwire said “Help me help you!”
Posted by EyeOfTheTiger311
Lafayette, LA
Member since Aug 2005
4580 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:12 pm to
I think it's fair to criticize a course if you are pay a premium price to play there and the conditions are not commensurate with the price and/or what is expected based on the historical quality of the club/course.

If you pay thousands upon thousands of dollars to be a member of a private country club and the conditions deteriorate but your cost to be a member obviously doesn't go down, you have a right to gripe.

If you exclusively play public courses and you don't research beforehand the conditions or typical quality of the course, that's on you. The only time I think criticism is warranted in this situation are those places that have just aerified and don't tell you beforehand and charge you the same full rate as normal. Those people are scum of the earth.

Also, I couldn't give two shits about beverage carts, clubhouses, food, etc. I go to a golf course to play golf. Just have some water out there and that's enough. I'd rather a club put all their captial into improving/maintaining the quality of the golf course than anything related to food/bev.
Posted by CHiPs25
ATL
Member since Apr 2014
3012 posts
Posted on 10/22/24 at 8:40 pm to
quote:

I could give two craps about a cart path and I don’t even know what a beverage cart is. I’ve never based my enjoyment of a course on a flipping cart filled with beverages.


Well good for you.
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