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Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:35 am to RollDatRoll
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They will get more cash, better equipment, access to quality ingredients and easier distribution nationwide
I don't understand the bashing that breweries are getting for "selling-out" Teaches horrible principals, you made a business so successful that a larger company wants to buy it... THE HORROR
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:44 am to greenwave
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I don't understand the bashing that breweries are getting for "selling-out" Teaches horrible principals, you made a business so successful that a larger company wants to buy it... THE HORROR
i'm glad that you started the thought with saying that you do not understand.
as was noted in the earlier pages of this thread, big beer is notorious for using their money to lobby politicians, both federal and state, to encourage legislation that restricts small breweries.
you will have a hard time convincing people her that big beer actually cares about the...beer. what they do care about is their shrinking domestic market share. these moves, along with their lobbying efforts, are their effort to retain the status quo as much as possible.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 8:49 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 8:55 am to Rouge
The issue to me is when when you are marketing something as an artisanal "craft" product from your inception and the fear that you may lose that when purchased by a company built basically on selling its product as a commodity (and I'm not even criticizing the general notion of selling beer as a commodity for AB). The point is, though, people like Wicked Weed and other craft brewers always eschewed the idea that they were selling a commodity.
We shall see how it plays out, I suppose.
We shall see how it plays out, I suppose.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:03 am to Y.A. Tittle
Posted on 5/4/17 at 9:31 am to Rouge
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big beer is notorious for using their money to lobby politicians, both federal and state, to encourage legislation that restricts small breweries.
Yeah I can see that. Fortunately my county has a great Senator that fights back against this nonsense. He has a great blog updating on bills etc. LINK
His live tweets are great when the House meets. But its also depressing..
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 9:35 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:12 am to greenwave
What happens when he's not a senator?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 10:31 am to USEyourCURDS
well then it all goes to shite.
I'm not saying he is the solution I was just showing that I'm glad someone is fighting back against stupid laws in back arse Alabama. I just cant get too worked up about lobbying because it is in every industry and always will be. So for the owners to "sell-out" and make a buck after busting arse for years I have no problem with that, Life is too short.
I'm not saying he is the solution I was just showing that I'm glad someone is fighting back against stupid laws in back arse Alabama. I just cant get too worked up about lobbying because it is in every industry and always will be. So for the owners to "sell-out" and make a buck after busting arse for years I have no problem with that, Life is too short.
This post was edited on 5/4/17 at 10:33 am
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:09 am to GRTiger
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I don't think this is how it has played out based on their other acquisitions.
Bourbon County. Sisters. All are worse than their pre-AB versions. These are investments -- both in the form of tap handles, and in the form of brands they can monetize. Maybe I'm just stubborn, but you will not convince me that the quality of BCBS is the same as what it was. The other side of that coin is I can actually get BCBS, and in quantity if I want to, without being forced to trade for it. But it's still not as good.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:14 am to BugAC
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I listened to the founder (forgot his name) a few weeks after that happened on a podcast. He admitted his initial response came off bad but clarified what the reasoning was. Just stated that he still holds the majority share stake in that company, and the "buyout" was simply a cash infusion that allowed them to grow and to payback his investors with some on top of that.
Um, about that...
Lagunitas being fully absorbed into Heineken
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:18 am to BMoney
He used the "bought in" line. I'm not sure I've ever seriously seen that line used. 
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Some who don’t fully understand it all may say it is selling out. Truth is that we did then, and are now ‘buying in’
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:20 am to Tiger Ryno
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I support local independent breweries first and foremost. Ab in bev is a big player in lobbying the state of TX to prevent smaller independents from growing and having any sort of advantage at all. I can't support that.
My stance as well. I'm not going to knowingly support Big Beer.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:32 am to BMoney
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Um, about that...
Lagunitas being fully absorbed into Heineken
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:46 am to Matisyeezy
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Bourbon County. Sisters. All are worse than their pre-AB versions.
I'm not going to argue your opinion or taste, but this is the determination the day these things are announced. I can't remember what these tasted like specifically 7 years ago, so you may be objectively correct, but it was never going to be better or the same in the minds of fans.
That also may have to do with quantity and distribution. So the question then becomes does any beer stay as good when it becomes produced in higher quantity, regardless of status.
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:49 am to GRTiger
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So the question then becomes does any beer stay as good when it becomes produced in higher quantity, regardless of status.
Sofie has stayed damn good
On a smaller scale, but Live Oak Hefe has stayed good
I'd day that Sculpin has stayed good on the larger scale
Posted on 5/4/17 at 11:52 am to Rouge
Have any gotten better (objectively or subjectively - take your pick)? Have any introduced other really interesting new brews since such mergers/takeovers?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:03 pm to Rouge
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On a smaller scale, but Live Oak Hefe has stayed good
Wait who owns live oak?
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:03 pm to Rouge
Never knew Live Oak sold
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:05 pm to LoneStarTiger
quote:they didn't
Live Oak sold
the question was just about quantity staying good after production is ramped up. noted live oak as a smaller example in the ramped up category
Posted on 5/4/17 at 12:20 pm to Rouge
While I don't get WW where I am, I do get Elysian and 10 Barrel, which were also acquired in the last couple of years.
I won't go our of my way to seek our their beers, although I never did before, so nothing has changed. I will go to their taprooms, where they are still making some interesting and creative beers and I still feel like I'm supporting local the bartenders and waitresses and people who work there.
The difference is that I won't buy their product from a bottle shop or grocery store.
I won't go our of my way to seek our their beers, although I never did before, so nothing has changed. I will go to their taprooms, where they are still making some interesting and creative beers and I still feel like I'm supporting local the bartenders and waitresses and people who work there.
The difference is that I won't buy their product from a bottle shop or grocery store.
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