- My Forums
- Tiger Rant
- LSU Recruiting
- SEC Rant
- Saints Talk
- Pelicans Talk
- More Sports Board
- Fantasy Sports
- Golf Board
- Soccer Board
- O-T Lounge
- Tech Board
- Home/Garden Board
- Outdoor Board
- Health/Fitness Board
- Movie/TV Board
- Book Board
- Music Board
- Political Talk
- Money Talk
- Fark Board
- Gaming Board
- Travel Board
- Food/Drink Board
- Ticket Exchange
- TD Help Board
Customize My Forums- View All Forums
- Show Left Links
- Topic Sort Options
- Trending Topics
- Recent Topics
- Active Topics
Started By
Message
Onion-y/Garlicy Hops (for the fellow beer nerds)
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:10 am
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:10 am
I grabbed some bell's 2 hearted yesterday and threw one in the freezer. Last time i had 2 hearted (about a year ago) i remember it being a fantastic beer. However, yesterday, i did not get that impression. I found the beer was high quality, but the hop character of this beer has changed. Previously i remember getting grapefruity/citrus like character. The one i drank yesterday tasted like green onion/garlic.
Great Raft's Commotion (and to some extent Grace and Grit) both have this same intense green onion-ish flavor to these 2 beers as well.
Initially, i thought Mosaic was the culprit, as i've heard from many homebrewers have had problems with their mosaic hops tasting like green onion. However, after investigation of these 3 beers, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Bell's Two Hearted consists of all Centennial Hops.
Great Raft Commotion's hop bill is Bravo, Cascade, Citra, Mosaic
Great Raft Grace and Grit hop bill is Citra and Amarillo.
As a homebrewer i've used all of these hops before in large quantities for IPA's. Centennial has never given me that funky garlicy flavor. Grace and Grit's hop bill is similar to ones i've made and mine have been what is now described as Juicy, and throws off tons of Citrus. And Commotions Hop bill shouldn't be throwing off these flavors either. I've used Mosaic many times and the flavors have always been enjoyable. A Christmas IPA i've made usually threw off a lot of blueberry flavors, and my last IPA was a heavily late hopped Mosaic, Amarillo, Citra, and Cascade IPA and tasted bright, fruity, Citrusy, with hints of grapefruit.
So in comparison to the latest batches, the previous batches of 2 hearted were fantastic, yet the stuff i had yesterday wasn't that good. Also, with Commotion, right after they changed their recipe for the better, i got loads of grapefruit, but don't get that today.
And even Grace and Grit, the batch i had before the last one, was darker in color, but i had a much fruitier hop aroma and flavor. The last batch that was lighter in color tasted of garlic and onion.
Does anyone have any insight of what is causing this? I used to think it was just Mosaic, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Maybe it's hopping rates, or where they are sourcing the hops. Or maybe my taste buds are out of whack.
Great Raft's Commotion (and to some extent Grace and Grit) both have this same intense green onion-ish flavor to these 2 beers as well.
Initially, i thought Mosaic was the culprit, as i've heard from many homebrewers have had problems with their mosaic hops tasting like green onion. However, after investigation of these 3 beers, that doesn't seem to be the case.
Bell's Two Hearted consists of all Centennial Hops.
Great Raft Commotion's hop bill is Bravo, Cascade, Citra, Mosaic
Great Raft Grace and Grit hop bill is Citra and Amarillo.
As a homebrewer i've used all of these hops before in large quantities for IPA's. Centennial has never given me that funky garlicy flavor. Grace and Grit's hop bill is similar to ones i've made and mine have been what is now described as Juicy, and throws off tons of Citrus. And Commotions Hop bill shouldn't be throwing off these flavors either. I've used Mosaic many times and the flavors have always been enjoyable. A Christmas IPA i've made usually threw off a lot of blueberry flavors, and my last IPA was a heavily late hopped Mosaic, Amarillo, Citra, and Cascade IPA and tasted bright, fruity, Citrusy, with hints of grapefruit.
So in comparison to the latest batches, the previous batches of 2 hearted were fantastic, yet the stuff i had yesterday wasn't that good. Also, with Commotion, right after they changed their recipe for the better, i got loads of grapefruit, but don't get that today.
And even Grace and Grit, the batch i had before the last one, was darker in color, but i had a much fruitier hop aroma and flavor. The last batch that was lighter in color tasted of garlic and onion.
Does anyone have any insight of what is causing this? I used to think it was just Mosaic, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Maybe it's hopping rates, or where they are sourcing the hops. Or maybe my taste buds are out of whack.
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 8:18 am
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:22 am to BugAC
I had a Two Hearted Ale last night, and didn't get any of the onion. Just a solid, well balanced (yeah, I know) IPA. Got some grapefruit and pine. Glad to have them here now.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:25 am to BMoney
quote:
I had a Two Hearted Ale last night, and didn't get any of the onion. Just a solid, well balanced (yeah, I know) IPA. Got some grapefruit and pine. Glad to have them here now.
Really? That is strange. What was the bottle date on yours? Mine was 4/28/16. Could storage be an issue?
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:26 am to BugAC
And for the 3 asshats that downvoted, maybe you can discuss your disagreement with the post?
(i know this will lead to the onslaught of downvotes now)
(i know this will lead to the onslaught of downvotes now)
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:27 am to BugAC
I've had this experience before with different beers, but the most distinct it has ever been for me was the 2014 batch of Ruinten. It was almost undrinkable it had so much onion character.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:29 am to Matisyeezy
quote:
I've had this experience before with different beers, but the most distinct it has ever been for me was the 2014 batch of Ruinten. It was almost undrinkable it had so much onion character.
I haven't found that it is hop varietals that are causing this, so it must be another factor. Whether it be fermenting temperature, etc...
Or maybe it is storage, seeing as my experience vs. Bmoney's is different. Maybe the bottles i bought got too much sunlight or too much heat.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:30 am to BMoney
I haven't had Two Hearted in a long time. I'm excited to try it fresh. I think that the way I appreciate my IPAs now, it might be much more to my liking
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:31 am to BugAC
I would suspect storage as the culprit. B, did you have it on tap, from a bottle, or from a can?
This post was edited on 5/12/16 at 8:32 am
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:34 am to BugAC
RDWHAHB
(my standard Bug response
)
(my standard Bug response
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:34 am to LSUBoo
quote:
I would suspect storage as the culprit. B, did you have it on tap, from a bottle, or from a can?
Bottle was dated 4/28, I believe. Bought it at lunch, kept it in the work fridge til I went home.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:34 am to LSUBoo
quote:
I would suspect storage as the culprit. B, did you have it on tap, from a bottle, or from a can?
That's the only thing that makes sense. And I think heat is probably the factor, as i get that flavor from the cans of commotion, and light shouldn't be a factor there. However, i had the last grace and grit from the tap, and that was like eating a clove of garlic...
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:49 am to BugAC
quote:
Does anyone have any insight of what is causing this? I used to think it was just Mosaic, but that doesn't appear to be the case. Maybe it's hopping rates, or where they are sourcing the hops. Or maybe my taste buds are out of whack.
Im fairly certain that drugs have unfortunately taken over your taste buds as well. Its all down here from here man
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:49 am to LSUBoo
Just read this.
quote:
Onion: If your beer smells and tastes more like cooked garlic or onions than malt and hops there’s a chance you’re experiencing our next bad beer trait. The flavor of onions is caused by a chemical compound called dimethyl trisulphide and it’s produced naturally during the boiling of wort in the beer-making process. Some hop varieties can also contribute this flavor during dry-hopping. In most cases it’s present in quantities much too low to detect or masked by other, stronger flavors. Improper storage (too cold, too hot, too much light) of packaged beer can also lead to excess onion in your ale.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 8:57 am to BMoney
Well that sucks.
Where did you purchase yours? I remember next time to go there instead of my usual. I hope the remaining 6'er straightens itself out, though i'm not confident.
quote:
BMoney
Where did you purchase yours? I remember next time to go there instead of my usual. I hope the remaining 6'er straightens itself out, though i'm not confident.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:04 am to BugAC
quote:
Where did you purchase yours?
Calandro's Government. I was nearby at lunch, so popped in to see if they had any. Didn't have cans, which was what I really wanted.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:08 am to BugAC
I think it's either a personal problem or a one off due to some environmental condition. I get that taste randomly sometimes in beers I know don't taste like that. It happened the first time I had art car and I thought people were crazy for liking it. I've had it since and it's been fine.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:20 am to BugAC
My last two 6ers of Commotion haven't been good. Not sure what the driver is, but I got the same vile onion taste in both.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:29 am to GRTiger
I had a batch of yellow rose that had this problem before and I think it's oxygen related. I know YR bottles their own and I have had a few of them spew during shipping....maybe the caps aren't on tight enough and air is getting in.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:30 am to BugAC
quote:
(too cold,
Is keeping the beer too cold, as in 35-45 degrees detrimental to flavor?
I do think the Great Raft beers do have a distinct flavor, but I wouldn't call it onion-y. My palate isn't sophisticated enough to pick my finger on it, but I like it. I haven't tried my THA yet, but it's in my fridge at 40 degrees and dated 5/2 so I guess we will see.
Posted on 5/12/16 at 9:36 am to Tiger Ryno
quote:
I had a batch of yellow rose that had this problem before and I think it's oxygen related.
Yellow Rose uses mosaic hops, which are highly susceptible to this issue
Popular
Back to top

7








