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My gumbo is a little bitter

Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:38 pm
Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:38 pm
I made a dark roux - seemed fine there - about six cups worth

Added the trinity - cooked onions to clear and others till clearer. Total about 15 cups

Added garlic and parsley after trinity cooked down and cleared

Added eight cups of white wine
Eight cups of water
Four cups of turkey/chicken stock
Worcestershire sauce
6 lbs of chicken
3 lbs of turkey
6 lbs of sausage
Salt
Pepper
Tabasco
Louisiana hot sauce


After it came to a boil and I began to simmer it tasted a little bitter. Brought back to a boil and skimmed the top off three times and tasted better.



My question is did I taste too early or was there too much white wine. I mostly use Justin Wilson’s recipe.
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 12:41 pm
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:40 pm to
Should have skipped the wine. You watched too many Justin Wilson videos.
Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:42 pm to
Should I?

Okay.

I don’t drink a lot of alcohol besides whiskey.

I will try it without the wine next time.

More water or more stock?


Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 12:59 pm to
Only use stock
Posted by t00f
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:01 pm to
White wine?

No.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:03 pm to
Who puts wine in gumbo?
Posted by gumbo2176
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

More water or more stock?


I only use stocks when cooking my gumbo and usually use a mix of the many I keep on hand in my freezer.

I have the following stocks on hand: shrimp, fish, crawfish, fried turkey, chicken, smoked pork, beef and oyster liquor from opening fresh oysters.
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:08 pm to
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I will try it without the wine next time.



Try a different recipe altogether next time. I know Justin Wilson used wine, but I've never had or made gumbo with wine in it and certainly not that much wine.

Next time, try this one from Paul Prudhomme. I use 10 cups of stock rather than 7 because 7 makes it a bit thick for me, but you can always add more stock, so you can start with 7 if you like. Just have more on hand. You don't have to use a whole chicken. You can use skinless/bone in or just skinless breast and thighs or all thighs, whatever you like. I like to simmer the bones to make stock.

LINK

I was going to suggest adding a little apple cider vinegar to see if that helps the bitter taste, but there's so much wine in that gumbo already, I don't think that would help. Maybe try a little honey or sugar in a sample to see what that does before adding it to the whole pot. Bitter is usually the result of burned roux, but maybe not if you say the roux tasted fine alone.

Posted by VA LSU fan
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:38 pm to
Gris Gris


That recipe looks very good I will try it next time.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:44 pm to
Need tomatoes.
Posted by LSUballs
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:51 pm to
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Need tomatoes.



Uh, he’s making gumbo. Not jambalaya
Posted by kingbob
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 1:56 pm to
Who puts wine in gumbo?
Posted by Gris Gris
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 2:05 pm to
quote:

That recipe looks very good I will try it next time.


You'll enjoy it and it's easy to double or triple if you want to make more. I use more smoked sausage or andouille than it calls for because I love sausage.
Posted by BottomlandBrew
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 2:12 pm to
quote:

Who puts wine in gumbo?


To be fair, I usually use a cup or so of wine in my stocks, so I guess in a sense I use wine in my gumbo. Now 8 cups? Yeah, no.
Posted by Twenty 49
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 2:45 pm to
15 cups of trinity? Too much green bell pepper can make a dish bitter.
Posted by hungryone
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 3:26 pm to
That’s quite a bit of roux, and if it was super dark, it can easily be on the edge of burnt. With ultra dark roux, bits can be burnt and you don’t really notice b/c of the color. When you say bitter, I’m wondering if you are really tasting burnt roux.

Eight cups of wine? Jeez, that’s like 2.5 bottles. Way, way, way too much of something most people never use in a gumbo. Save the wine for a different dish. Justin Wilson was a comedian who cooked, not a chef or culinarian. Plenty of other, more relevant cooks to follow who make delicious food. He was a TV pioneer, but so many of his recipes just don’t hold up to modern tastes (nor do they represent some sort of historical truth).

Donald Link, Paul Prudhomme, John Folse: all LA chefs who have credible gumbo recipes that will produce excellent results. NONE contain wine.

But seriously, I think you burnt the roux.
Posted by Degas
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 4:19 pm to
Wine can be ok but you have to cook off the alcohol to take away the bitterness. If you add the stock, meats, and everything to the wine at the same time, you're going to get a bitter taste. As others have said, wine is optional and not needed.
Posted by Breesus
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:23 pm to
quote:

eight cups of white wine
quote:

gumbo


Dafuq
Posted by LSU82BILL
Fort Lauderdale, FL
Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:31 pm to
Wine? WTF? No thyme, garlic or cayenne pepper?
This post was edited on 5/2/20 at 8:33 pm
Posted by CHEDBALLZ
South Central LA
Member since Dec 2009
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Posted on 5/2/20 at 8:51 pm to
Why wine?
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