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re: IPAs and Bottle/Can Dates

Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to
Posted by ragincajun03
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to
Thanks for the info.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:08 am to
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I'm convinced you could fill 2 bottles from the same tank, put different dates on them and someone will tell you why one is better than the other.


More interesting would be to do a triangle test with someone on a fresh batch of commotion vs the previous batch to see if they were able to perceive the differences without the aid of the canning date.
Posted by LSURoss
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:11 am to
Could make that happen.
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:15 am to
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Yeah, but there also ipa mavens that say that hops don't hit their stride until about 2-3 weeks AFTER bottling.


IPAs certainly peak some time after packaging where they are better than they were when first packaged. That time period is dependent on the beer and hops used and varies greatly from beer to beer. They also fall off at wildly different rates.

Generally speaking, kegged and canned IPAs will hang on longer than bottled IPAs.
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:17 am to
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Could make that happen.


Lets do it...
Posted by BottomlandBrew
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:22 am to
My rule is that a hop-forward beer must be dated for me to even consider buying it. I also consider "best by" dates to be a non-date, as that stuff isn't standard (exception to Stone Enjoy By).

For standard gravity IPAs and APAs, I'll give them a month or two before I question their flavor. Higher gravity hoppy beers are granted a little more leeway, but there are still some higher gravity things I won't buy after a month or two.
This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:23 am
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:34 am to
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Most of the mavens talking about the differences in the taste between batches made literally a week apart are vastly over rating their own palate. Most of those perceived differences are mental or psychological.


I have ghost in the machine from January and the release from February. They are not the same. I agree that some batches have been negligible in difference, but batch #8 tastes different than batch 9.

Batch #8 vs Batch #9
Color - Nearly identical to 9. Slightly darker.
Aroma - Much greater hop aroma in batch 9 than batch 8. Batch 8 aroma is muted.
Flavor - Batch 9 has a greater hop flavor than batch 8. Also, i found batch 8 to be more boozey.

This post was edited on 2/24/16 at 10:39 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:42 am to
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Green Flash - west coast ipa Goose Island - IPA St Arnold - Ellisa


Add Sierra Nevada Pale Ale and Torpedo to that list. Both seem to hold up well.

Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:45 am to
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Could make that happen.


I am up to that challenge.

Commotion holds up really well but fresh has a hop stank right when you open it.
Posted by LSUballs
Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:49 am to
Does Lagunitas put dates on their beer? If so where on the bottle is it. I've never been able to find it...
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:51 am to
Speaking of ipas, anyone interested in trading some Ghost for Hopslam?
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:52 am to
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convinced you could fill 2 bottles from the same tank, put different dates on them and someone will tell you why one is better than the other.


Not the mavens on our board. They know.
There lots of other factors in evaluating tastes as well like the condition of your sinuses and allergies...what you have been eating or drinking...
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:53 am to
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Does Lagunitas put dates on their beer? If so where on the bottle is it. I've never been able to find it...




It's at the top of the neck in black ink. Thug life.

And it's Julian calendar dated. So 3 digit number that shows what day of the year it was bottled, followed by a single digit that corresponds to the year (5 = 2015, 6 = 2016). It's stupid. Too much math involved to figure out when it was bottled.
Posted by BMoney
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Member since Jan 2005
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 10:56 am to
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I have ghost in the machine from January and the release from February. They are not the same. I agree that some batches have been negligible in difference, but batch #8 tastes different than batch 9.

Batch #8 vs Batch #9
Color - Nearly identical to 9. Slightly darker.
Aroma - Much greater hop aroma in batch 9 than batch 8. Batch 8 aroma is muted.
Flavor - Batch 9 has a greater hop flavor than batch 8. Also, i found batch 8 to be more boozey.



Of course they are different from each other right now. Batch 8 is on the downhill slide, even though it's still very good. Batch 9 is starting to hit its peak. So yes, batch 9 does have much more hop aroma and flavor right now. 33 days ago, batch 8 was drinking a whole lot like batch 9 is right now.
Posted by TigerWise
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:00 am to
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new money, wannabe-cicerones
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:01 am to
Posted by BugAC
St. George
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:15 am to
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So yes, batch 9 does have much more hop aroma and flavor right now. 33 days ago, batch 8 was drinking a whole lot like batch 9 is right now.


Well i got batch 8 about 2 weeks after the release, and i got the same tastes. I'm not saying 8 was garbage, but i don't find 9 nearly as boozey as i did 8.
Posted by LSUballs
Member since Feb 2008
40421 posts
Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:20 am to
Well holy shite. I've seen that number stamped on the neck but never could make heads or tails of what it meant. What a bunch of fruit cakes. Thanks for the clarification
Posted by Matisyeezy
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Member since Feb 2012
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:21 am to
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Higher gravity hoppy beers are granted a little more leeway


In my experience these tend to be the ones that turn malty the fastest.
Posted by Tiger Ryno
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Member since Feb 2007
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Posted on 2/24/16 at 11:22 am to
They are the shitlords of bottle date stamping.
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