re: 83% of Covid-19 deaths were among the Fully Vaccinated past month in UK

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Says the guy who tried to argue mortality rates among breakthrough cases were similar to those among the unvaccinated while ignoring that breakthrough cases were rare AND those who were vaccinated + reinfected would not be a random sample of the population (being much weaker than the vaccinated population as a whole).

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You’re arguing out of both sides of your mouth. You’re either dishonest or too dumb to notice.

Does the vaccine lower the hospitalization rates and mortality or does it lower the incidence of disease? You are separately arguing different points depending on the point you’re addressing. It’s totally not rigorous. Perhaps this works with people as dumb as yourself.

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Does the vaccine lower the hospitalization rates and mortality or does it lower the incidence of disease? You are separately arguing different points depending on the point you’re addressing. It’s totally not rigorous. Perhaps this works with people as dumb as yourself.

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At this point, you're not reading correctly or arguing disingenuously. I've called you out on it and now another user has too. You don't even address the points brought up - instead you try and shift the argument.

1) It does seem to reduce incidence of disease in the data that's been presented. However, I'm not concluding that it does just yet but there's pretty good evidence to support it.

2) The data overwhelmingly supports that it reduces hospitalizations and death rates.

I think both 1) and 2) are true but I won't argue 1) until there's more data to prove it.

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You are separately arguing different points depending on the point you’re addressing. It’s totally not rigorous. Perhaps this works with people as dumb as yourself.

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Because two points can be true at the same time? But the fact that it reduces hospitalizations and mortality rates is the important point in any discussion. It doesn't matter if it does or doesn't reduce cases so it doesn't change the discussion at all

I fail to see how I'm arguing out of two sides of my mouth. Both can be true - the vaccine can reduce incidence of disease and hospitalization rates (and the data supports both those points but I'm only definitely concluding one for sure).

Bit rich that you're calling it non-rigorous when you're failing to understand that you tried to pass off breakthrough patients as representative of the general vaccinated population. Good one.

And the fact that you fail to understand both can be true at the same time makes your comment entirely pointless.

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Bit rich that you're calling it non-rigorous when you're failing to understand that you tried to pass off breakthrough patients as representative of the general vaccinated population.

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I didn’t do this. I cannot account for your abject stupidity in my posting.

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I didn’t do this. I cannot account for your abject stupidity in my posting.

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Do you not understand what you're arguing? You're arguing that mortality rates among those with breakthrough cases are similar to those among the unvaccinated and positive.

The unvaccinated + positive population will be younger and stronger than their positively infected breakthrough counterparts. Do you understand this?

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It’s relevant when someone who hasn’t been vaccinated with the vaccines available to them pushes for vaccine mandates.

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Uh, I've been vaccinated for two of them and the other isn't available to the public.

You absolute clown. I've been vaccinated against the two of them that I've been allowed to be. The smallpox vaccine isn't available to the public

Did you hear that the FDA is now allowing us to mix different jab doses so we can find the right combination to suit our busy lifestyles?

#progressive
#science

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No, I haven’t. Korkstand

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Stop trying to focus the discussion on side points and address the main one.

Why are you comparing breakthrough mortality rates to the unvaccinated, positive mortality rates? How exactly is that rigorous?

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You’re a stalking horse pussy.

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You're a liar and a moron.

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Wandering into threads with absolutely zero to add except your whining.

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You also make shite up. Like this. I used to think you were ok. You've proven to be the biggest piece of shite on this site. You lie. You slander. You false witness. I mean damn, there's probably child molesters who are better people than you.

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I’d really like to know the reason behind all of this.

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Here you go: almost everyone there is vaxxed, so of course it's predictable that the breakthrough infections they might have would still dwarf unvaxxed.

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That’s a straw man, since no one argues they are useless.

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Plenty of people do.

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, and if the potentially side affects override that efficacy for many people.

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That's a reasonable question - and the answer appears to be: whatever negative effects of the vaccine you are most worried about would seem to be even worse for an actual natural infection.

For children, I think it's fair to say that it's just not that important of a decision for them. They'll be fine either way. It likely comes down to who they will be around - like an elderly relative or whatever.