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Pfizer efficacy down to 42% while FDA standard for safe/effective/approval is 50%

Posted on 8/11/21 at 12:40 am
Posted by Shaft Williams
Central City, LA
Member since Jul 2010
9469 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 12:40 am


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Posted by John McClane
Member since Apr 2010
36746 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 1:08 am to
Facts schmacts
Posted by BigJim
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2010
14529 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 1:12 am to
Against the Delta variety.

If confirmed, they will not get full approval. Moderna fixing to eat.
Posted by AUstar
Member since Dec 2012
17098 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 1:26 am to
Jack Posobiec gives no context, of course. So I dug up the actual study. Here is what it says:

quote:

Both vaccines were highly effective during this study period against SARS-CoV-2 infection (mRNA-1273: 86%, 95%CI: 81-90.6%; BNT162b2: 76%, 95%CI: 69-81%) and COVID-19 associated hospitalization (mRNA-1273: 91.6%, 95% CI: 81-97%; BNT162b2: 85%, 95% CI:73-93%). However, in July, the effectiveness against infection was considerably lower for mRNA-1273 (76%, 95% CI: 58-87%) with an even more pronounced reduction in effectiveness for BNT162b2 (42%, 95% CI: 13-62%).


In other words, Moderna still going strong at 76%. Pfizer seems to be down to 42% against Delta insofar as protecting against infection.

However, they also said this:

quote:

Our observational study highlights that while both mRNA COVID-19 vaccines strongly protect against infection and severe disease, further evaluation of mechanisms underlying differences in their effectiveness such as dosing regimens and vaccine composition are warranted.


As you can see above, Moderna was 91% effective at preventing hospitalization and Pfizer was at 85%. So let's not pretend it's the end of the world. Yes, the efficacy has decreased with Delta, but the beauty of mRNA is they can quickly tweak it for new variants (in like days). They don't have to grow or culture the virus to do this.
Posted by FooManChoo
Member since Dec 2012
41862 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 1:30 am to
Does that mean the vax passports are no longer valid for Pfizer jabs?
Posted by sawtooth
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2017
3588 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 4:55 am to
Don’t care. I am not vaccinated. I feel fine.
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
7541 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 5:11 am to
Pfizer bux in the right hands= Breaking News--new standard for vaccine efficacy for Covid now at 42%
Posted by Armymann50
Playing with my
Member since Sep 2011
17272 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 5:34 am to
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FDA standard for safe
me still not getting the jab
Posted by Revelator
Member since Nov 2008
58386 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 5:59 am to
Where is he getting the 42% efficacy claim? I’m not saying he’s wrong, but he doesn’t site any studies but simply makes a claim.
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41819 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:49 am to
Pfizer is turning out to be trash

moderna still okay

natural immunity is far superior (if you wanna *risk* catching covid)

I knew as soon as all midwits on the ot lounge started preaching about vaccinations that the wisest decision was to do the opposite
Posted by NC_Tigah
Carolinas
Member since Sep 2003
124628 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 8:55 am to
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Pfizer efficacy down to 42%
Oh for frick sakes people!
Posted by BurntOrangeMan
Dallas TX
Member since May 2021
5628 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:00 am to
How long does it take to start hearing Moderna jabs is causing the variants?
Posted by A Menace to Sobriety
Member since Jun 2018
29377 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:12 am to
Throw in like reason number 20 why I won't get the vaccine.

Yet I'm considered stupid and selfish.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:19 am to
"Efficacy" sounds so cool and hipster.

Posted by The Levee
Bat Country
Member since Feb 2006
10821 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 10:37 am to
I was exposed to several people who are really sick with Delta. I never got sick. I was face to face in a meeting in a cold board room for one hour.

The difference, myself and one other coworker have Pfizer from April and neither of us got sick or had a single symptom.

The others at the office aren’t vaccinated and now our company’s future is at risk along with their own health.
Posted by El Magnifico
La casa de tu mamá
Member since Jan 2014
7017 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:09 am to
Those corrupt fricks will approve regardless
Posted by weptiger
Georgia
Member since Feb 2007
10403 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 11:27 am to
So, if I get the vaccine, I am not immune from Covid, but it can potentially lessen the effects of Covid upon me. Once I have recovered from Covid, the vaccine alone won’t prevent me from getting Covid again. I can still experience a breakthrough and even die as a vaccinated person.

If I don’t get the vaccine, contract Covid and ultimately recover without death, I could get Covid again and repeat the same cycle at a later date, worse impact and die.

In either scenario, I can be symptomatic and contagious, the only difference being that with the vaccine my case of Covid may be less severe.

All of this for a virus that there is a 99% survival rate in the aggregate. Seriously, Is that right or is my understanding wrong?

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
43124 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 12:03 pm to
To be fair, that paragraph is specific to the Delta variant.

That still isn't good, but it isn't about the over all efficacy.
Posted by omegaman66
greenwell springs
Member since Oct 2007
22797 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 3:59 pm to
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Pfizer efficacy down to 42%


So well below 42%.
Posted by Gifman
Member since Jan 2021
9809 posts
Posted on 8/11/21 at 9:14 pm to
42% of the time it works every time

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