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re: Watched the Woodstock 99 documentary on HBOMax today…
Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:38 pm to UndercoverBryologist
Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:38 pm to UndercoverBryologist
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t’s got good reviews from critics on Rotten Tomatoes
So it has a woke based narrative?
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 1:42 pm to BRIllini07
Born in 1973 and Woodstock 94 happened my senior year of college. It was kind of a big deal back then and so was MTV and the MTV Beach House, etc.
I remember thinking, even at the time in 1999 when I was 26 years old, that there was just a huge difference in just five years in the generations, late 20s vs late teens/early 20s. I remember going to bars back then and the "younger crowd" just being really obnoxious and ready to throw at any time. At 26 I felt old, even though I wasn't, because those in their late teens and early 20s were just different than those of us in our late 20s. Just 5 year age difference but felt like a big difference.
So compare Woodstock 94 to Woodstock 99 and you can see that difference played out. No, it wasn't "aggressive" music that was the cause because in 1994 Metallica, Cyprus Hill, Rollins Band, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, RHCP, Live, Jackyll all performed there. It was aggressive, it was hot, it was muddy, it was a sh*tshow, but it didn't turn into a full on riot.
I remember thinking, even at the time in 1999 when I was 26 years old, that there was just a huge difference in just five years in the generations, late 20s vs late teens/early 20s. I remember going to bars back then and the "younger crowd" just being really obnoxious and ready to throw at any time. At 26 I felt old, even though I wasn't, because those in their late teens and early 20s were just different than those of us in our late 20s. Just 5 year age difference but felt like a big difference.
So compare Woodstock 94 to Woodstock 99 and you can see that difference played out. No, it wasn't "aggressive" music that was the cause because in 1994 Metallica, Cyprus Hill, Rollins Band, Nine Inch Nails, Primus, RHCP, Live, Jackyll all performed there. It was aggressive, it was hot, it was muddy, it was a sh*tshow, but it didn't turn into a full on riot.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:24 pm to SoDakHawk
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I remember thinking, even at the time in 1999 when I was 26 years old, that there was just a huge difference in just five years in the generations, late 20s vs late teens/early 20s. I remember going to bars back then and the "younger crowd" just being really obnoxious and ready to throw at any time. At 26 I felt old, even though I wasn't, because those in their late teens and early 20s were just different than those of us in our late 20s. Just 5 year age difference but felt like a big difference.
I'm a year older, and I think this dynamic is pretty normal for that age group across different generations. Like I started college in 1990, and I'm sure my interests seemed odd to those that graduated in 1985. But perhaps the shift in music in the 90's was even more drastic than previous decades? I don't know, but that entire nu metal scene just seemed so lame and vacuous to me. And not just nu metal, but a lot of those rock bands from the late 90's just plain sucked. Sugar Ray, Fastball, Eve 6, Tonic, Creed, and countless others from around that time. I had already bailed on MTV by that time so didn't witness the Disney pop vs nu metal struggle mentioned here and in the film.
I should add as well that I was heavy into the jamband scene around that time and kind of looked down my nose at all pop music. Other than Radiohead, Built To Spill, and Pearl Jam, I didn't listen to much other than Widespread Panic and Phish.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:34 pm to finchmeister08
Just watched it over lunch after seeing this board. Holy shite that was a terrible documentary. They told you the issue in the first 10 minutes. It was a bunch of 18-22 year olds doing drugs who had no food or water. There was no reason to turn that into some kind of existential take on young white men in the late 90's. I enjoyed the footage but all of the "talking heads" in the doc are complete idiots.
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Posted on 7/26/21 at 2:53 pm to StrongOffer
I agree with you that the conditions led to the riots. The thing is that the conditions in 1969 and 1994 also sucked. It was hot, wet, muddy, crappy, not enough food, water, and other provisions. 1969 and 1994 did an equally crappy job at providing the basics to 400,000 people. The difference is 1999 resulted in riots and fires.
As far as girls (and guys) running around naked and all the groping, yeah, that happened in 1969 and 1994 too. They just focused on that in the doc about 1999. Looking at 1999 through a 2021 prism, you just can't do it. Things were different back then.
As far as girls (and guys) running around naked and all the groping, yeah, that happened in 1969 and 1994 too. They just focused on that in the doc about 1999. Looking at 1999 through a 2021 prism, you just can't do it. Things were different back then.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:02 pm to The Spleen
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Other than Radiohead, Built To Spill, and Pearl Jam, I didn't listen to much other than Widespread Panic and Phish.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:09 pm to Saint Alfonzo
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Moby is crying about white kids using Nu Metal for homophobia and misogyny, while completely ignoring the fact that rap is chock full of it. And ignoring his own sexually harassing behavior for that matter.
I had forgotten about Moby being Me Too'd by Natalie Portman and others.
He also had accusations that he was knowingly spreading Genital Herpes to his sex partners.
Moby is an idiot and nobody should take him seriously.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:11 pm to SoDakHawk
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The thing is that the conditions in 1969 and 1994 also sucked. It was hot, wet, muddy, crappy, not enough food, water, and other provisions. 1969 and 1994 did an equally crappy job at providing the basics to 400,000 people. The difference is 1999 resulted in riots and fires.
What about the rapes and sexual assaults that the Spin magazine chick in the 99 doc seemed so concerned about? I'd be willing to bet that the numbers were much higher in both categories during the "peace and love" Woodstock of 69.
The same could be said for deaths. The guy that died during Metallica's set is mentioned in every podcast/documentary/article that I've ever seen on this.
It's tragic but were there any others? They showed a dead body being carried out of the 69 festival in the 99 documentary. But the 99 festival was somehow more violent and dangerous, according to the clowns in the 99 documentary?
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:17 pm to rebel of fortune
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Limp Biscuit sold 40 million albums and was very popular for a few years. It’s very similar to the Nickleback and Creed hate.
right, not arguing they werent mainstream
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It’s easy to make fun of them today
and it was easy and not at all controversial to make fun of them back then too.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:19 pm to DaleGribble
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But the 99 festival was somehow more violent and dangerous, according to the clowns in the 99 documentary?
I mean, they did start out the documentary criticizing the Woodstock movie that ignored all the issues that occurred at the 69 one, but they didn't really delve into them since it was a documentary on the 99 one.
There were officially 3 reported deaths at the original Woodstock - 2 from overdose and one from some random accident. There were no reported incidents of violence at it, and no official arrests for any violence. Pretty sure all of the arrests were drug related.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:20 pm to DaleGribble
Exactly. Assaults, sexual assault, death, not good under any circumstances and not condoning it. But when you get 400,000 people together partying like that there is crap that is going to happen. It happened in 69, 94, and 99 but they really focused on 1999.
However, the difference I pointed out from earlier is that 1999 was the only one where a mob rioted and started burning the place down. While RHCP played "Fire" after they were asked by the organizers to help them calm the crowd, lol.
If it was so bad why did RHCP continue to play? Or why did Megadeath go on AFTER them? Probably because they then would have had a real riot on their hands.
However, the difference I pointed out from earlier is that 1999 was the only one where a mob rioted and started burning the place down. While RHCP played "Fire" after they were asked by the organizers to help them calm the crowd, lol.
If it was so bad why did RHCP continue to play? Or why did Megadeath go on AFTER them? Probably because they then would have had a real riot on their hands.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:28 pm to SoDakHawk
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As far as girls (and guys) running around naked and all the groping, yeah, that happened in 1969 and 1994 too. They just focused on that in the doc about 1999. Looking at 1999 through a 2021 prism, you just can't do it. Things were different back then.
Groping women wasn't really accepted in 1999 either. They probably focused on it because it was apparently bad enough for the singer from The Offspring to mention it while on stage and admonish guys for doing it.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:31 pm to SUB
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I got to this and turned it off. How ridiculous. When are people going to get over themselves and get over a word. No, don’t get mad at the dude who wrote the song. Let’s chastise the people who sing along.
This. Not only the guy who wrote the song but the one who didn’t say the words so the crowd could say it. Like cmon man this shouldn’t have even been in the documentary but hey welcome to the 2020s.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:32 pm to SoDakHawk
Is it true that at least one member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers performed buck naked at Woodstock '99? If so, that's more than a bit creepy considering there were minors in attendance.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:35 pm to SoDakHawk
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Or why did Megadeath go on AFTER them?
Megadeth was on the other stage.
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But when you get 400,000 people together partying like that there is crap that is going to happen.
of course there will always be incidents but there's an level of expected, 99 seemed to exceed that. 69 was probably worse than reported
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:38 pm to Hoodie
It's in the doc footage. Flea was in stage buck naked, D flopping all over the place. That was his thing.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:39 pm to Hoodie
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Is it true that at least one member of the Red Hot Chili Peppers performed buck naked at Woodstock '99? If so, that's more than a bit creepy considering there were minors in attendance.
Yeah, Flea was naked as a jaybird.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:41 pm to SoDakHawk
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That was his thing.
Phrasing.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:44 pm to ronricks
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Moby is an idiot and nobody should take him seriously.
He also has a neck tattoo now, in case anyone had any doubts.
Posted on 7/26/21 at 3:45 pm to H-Town Tiger
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you "described" girls getting sexually assaulted as normal, that's rationalizing.
You are what we call a special kind of stupid.
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