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The Atletic article on the parting of ways with stan
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:57 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 10:57 am
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On a late-season bus trip, Van Gundy was venting frustrations to an assistant after a loss. According to Van Gundy, someone who overheard the conversation reported back to Griffin that Van Gundy was so frustrated that he might not return. Also, leading up to the final weekend of the regular season, a meeting between Van Gundy and Griffin did not go well — with dozens of sources chatting about it after it happened.
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Van Gundy was also unhappy for large portions of the season, exasperated over how much difficulty he was having getting the young core to buy into a commitment to defense. Van Gundy and his wife relocated to New Orleans from central Florida, where they lived full time after his job with the Detroit Pistons ended following the 2018 season. He was working as a TV analyst for TNT when the Pelicans hired him in October.
And of course, have to push Zion wants a different market.
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During the training camp portion of the NBA’s season restart at Disney last season, Williamson was dealing with a minor leg injury, to the point where it had forced him out of portions of Pelicans practice. Shortly after that, he left the bubble for what both the team and player would only say was an “urgent family medical matter.” Neither the team nor family ever disclosed what the issue was. Two sources with knowledge of Zion’s absence said there was an issue, but questioned the urgency to leave the bubble, which kept him away from the team for about a week.
The Pels made changes to their support staff to fit Williamson’s wishes over the offseason, and he returned in much better physical condition. But for most of this season, certain Williamson family members voiced displeasure with the organization. Among the targets of their criticism was Van Gundy, who they felt was too rigid and demanding as head coach, but also with the organization, which they claim did not live up to what they felt should be the standard for a star like Williamson. Numerous opposing league executives had heard the complaints, and they were confirmed by Pelicans officials.
When the Pels traded J.J. Redick to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redick but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redick had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redick was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redick accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
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Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:02 am to Soggymoss
Being a pels fan is just constant pain lmao.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:03 am to Soggymoss
I'm going to go out on a limb and say none of that last portion was written by Guillory and was 100% Shams.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:03 am to Soggymoss
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how much difficulty he was having getting the young core to buy into a commitment to defense.
How accurate is this?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:04 am to Soggymoss
frick the NBA media
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:14 am to Soggymoss
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When the Pels traded J.J. Redick to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redick but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redick had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redick was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redick accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
Wait we’re still with the JJ bullshite? He was terrible in his time last year and we got actually usable assets in return for him. What are we doing here?
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:18 am to Soggymoss
Zion is gone already, we just don't know it yet
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:18 am to Soggymoss
There's a reason why these dumb articles come out after firing a coach. Where were they prior to him being fired? I don't doubt that there's tension surrounding the organization and the players but I bet they're written with a lot of bad infomation.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:39 am to Soggymoss
I think what Zion (or his family) is doing in this article is pressuring Gayle to pay tax and/or pressuring the front office to re-sign Lonzo.
That's what the Redick stuff is about, IMO: keeping Lonzo.
That's what the Redick stuff is about, IMO: keeping Lonzo.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:40 am to Soggymoss
When Zion is gone I’ll probably just give up on the nba
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:43 am to Soggymoss
Man, frick…
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:46 am to Soggymoss
The last part seems to change some of the facts to add drama. JJ requested the trade and sat at home with him family getting paid. This makes it sound as if he was mad at getting traded at all.
As far as Zion's family, they seem to be high maintenance. I get the feel his Mom and Stepdad are just too "entitled." Having said that, when they say that the organization is not treating Zion like the superstar he is, they may be on to something. Griffin seems to be going out of his way to exclude Zion in the decisions. He should be talking to him about the new coach as well as getting his input of the roster to some extent. Griffin keeps saying he will not be part of the decision making process. Maybe it is time for Gayle to show Griffin the door and get a more "current" GM.
As far as Zion's family, they seem to be high maintenance. I get the feel his Mom and Stepdad are just too "entitled." Having said that, when they say that the organization is not treating Zion like the superstar he is, they may be on to something. Griffin seems to be going out of his way to exclude Zion in the decisions. He should be talking to him about the new coach as well as getting his input of the roster to some extent. Griffin keeps saying he will not be part of the decision making process. Maybe it is time for Gayle to show Griffin the door and get a more "current" GM.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 11:54 am to Soggymoss
Let's not overreact to "unnamed" sources and create narratives in our own heads.
The facts are SVG won't be our coach next year - this is a good thing. Let's get someone on board ASAP, make some offseason moves, and start building some team chemistry. This team still has a lot going for them.
Don't forget major markets have everything to gain and nothing to lose by sowing discord.
Let's let the next season play out. The sky is not falling.
Yet.
The facts are SVG won't be our coach next year - this is a good thing. Let's get someone on board ASAP, make some offseason moves, and start building some team chemistry. This team still has a lot going for them.
Don't forget major markets have everything to gain and nothing to lose by sowing discord.
Let's let the next season play out. The sky is not falling.
Yet.
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 11:55 am
Posted on 6/17/21 at 12:08 pm to Soggymoss
I get zion and his family not liking the coach and how this team was built but jj redick, come on.
If true, zion sounds like a little bitch.
If true, zion sounds like a little bitch.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 12:16 pm to Soggymoss
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When the Pels traded J.J. Redick to Dallas in March, it not only upset Redick but also is said to have irritated Williamson. Redick had asked to either be traded before the season or to stay in New Orleans all season for family reasons and proceeded to blast the organization and executive vice president of basketball operations David Griffin on his podcast after the trade. Redick was a veteran with whom Williamson had grown comfortable in their two seasons together, and the dysfunction Redick accused the Pelicans of harboring is said to have stoked some of Williamson’s own feelings with regards to the direction of the franchise.
I told y'all this JJ stuff would be really bad for us. But NOOOOOOOO the sunshine pumpers had to defend Griffin
Posted on 6/17/21 at 12:43 pm to Soggymoss
I don't think the gravity of missing the playoffs this season registered with a lot of you. We really needed to have made the playoffs last season. Coupled with the fact we missed them this year is almost the writing on the wall for Zion.
It probably doesn't matter who we hire now. We could make the finals next season and I think we're still bracing for Z to force a trade.
It probably doesn't matter who we hire now. We could make the finals next season and I think we're still bracing for Z to force a trade.
Posted on 6/17/21 at 1:28 pm to Soggymoss
It reads like Zion and probably others were upset that SVG was "too hard" on them for, presumably, repeatedly needing to talk about stuff like being out of defensive position again and again and again. It's easier to see SVG's frustrations that simple stuff just didn't connect.
Now we apparently need to swing in the other direction and find someone to handle the players with kid gloves because they couldn't handle the mean guy who was upset at guys for not listening. That's probably less Pelicans specific and is generalized across the NBA. You've either got cred like Pops, churn through jobs like Thibs, or you have to be a "players coach."
It's unfortunate that it appears Zion's family appears to be demanding but it's unsurprising given the slow leak of Duke booster payments, specifically to dad.
Also it's funny how the JJ trade alternative narrative changed from "release" to "wanting to stay in New Orleans" if not traded. What BS.
ETA: would be interesting if Griffin has Woj drop some counter intelligence to fight back against some of the narratives
Now we apparently need to swing in the other direction and find someone to handle the players with kid gloves because they couldn't handle the mean guy who was upset at guys for not listening. That's probably less Pelicans specific and is generalized across the NBA. You've either got cred like Pops, churn through jobs like Thibs, or you have to be a "players coach."
It's unfortunate that it appears Zion's family appears to be demanding but it's unsurprising given the slow leak of Duke booster payments, specifically to dad.
Also it's funny how the JJ trade alternative narrative changed from "release" to "wanting to stay in New Orleans" if not traded. What BS.
ETA: would be interesting if Griffin has Woj drop some counter intelligence to fight back against some of the narratives
This post was edited on 6/17/21 at 1:31 pm
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