re: Vatican warns bishops not to deny communion to Biden, politicians over abortion

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the pope spoke about communion as “not the reward of saints, but the bread of sinners,”

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I agree, but the church also discerns between venial sins and mortal sins. You’re not supposed to receive the Eucharist if you are in mortal sin and have not gone to confession yet. Ending a pregnancy is 100% a mortal sin in the Catholic Church. Cursing, having impure thoughts, gossiping, etc. are venial sins and you can still receive the Eucharist without going to confession. The pope doesn’t get to have it both ways.

Yes, the Eucharist is indeed the bread of sinners but there’s a process a Catholic must go through while in mortal sin in order to receive it and that process is confession, sincere prayer for forgiveness & to walk away from whatever leads them to that sin, and a vow to never do it again (and mean it). Biden hasn’t walked away from the democrat party (that leads him to support abortion) and I have no idea if he has sincerely asked for forgiveness for his support of abortion. Given what I know to be fact, I feel the facts outweigh what is impossible for me to know and if I were in position of authority in the church, I would not give Biden the Eucharist.

My president (unfortunately) but not my pope. I can’t support the pope going forward because of his position on this issue. Abortion is just too big and important of an issue to me and to the church.

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Now, these things are public and championed, and a step to withhold the Eucharist, mind you millions of Catholic in sin take it every weekend, is actually politicizing it.

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That’s where you are wrong. Abortion is a mortal sin and supporting those who have an abortion or the funding/assistance of one is wrong whether it’s public or in private. God doesn’t only see public sin - he sees every sin. Withholding the Eucharist from those in mortal sin was the right thing to do in the church on day one and it’s the right thing to do today. The church either has beliefs and convictions or it doesn’t.

Who the hell are YOU to say it’s ok to give the Eucharist to someone in mortal sin today just because that mortal sin happens to be a common mortal sin?

It was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

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If you say you are personally opposed to abortion, but support policies that result in more abortions, how opposed are you really?

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That’s the whole point of true Catholics here. There is NO distinction made, according to the church’s beliefs) between having an abortion and supporting abortion. You can say you are personally opposed to abortion all you want but if you support it via policies that lead to abortions then you are in sin.

President Biden could say he personally opposes abortion until he’s blue in the face but he still clearly supports legislation which leads to easier access to it and therefore he is in a state of mortal sin.

While I’m at it, one thing that I personally have a hard time with is that as a Catholic I’m not supposed to have sexy with my wife with ANY form of birth control (condom, pull out method, pill, etc.). I have a big problem with that because from a financial standpoint we are maxed out with children and my wife actually has a major health risk with a third pregnancy (we found out about it during the second one). The church expects me to just splooge into my wife with absolutely no method of birth control even though it could potentially put my wife and the resulting pregnancy in danger. I had planned on getting a vasectomy but then when I learned of this, I kinda put it on hold until I can get further guidance from the church on it. I try to be a good Catholic and do plan on talking to my priest about this to pick his brain before getting the vasectomy.

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when the faithful stop giving hard-earned cash to support the inflated hierarchy and farce that pretends to be a Christian church.

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Some of us already have.

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The Catholic Church is its people. Are you (and others in this thread) calling Catholics unprincipled (and others, evil)?

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I understand the theological point your making. But it’s bad logic. The church stems from the clergy.

Flashback:2007…


As Cardinal, Pope Francis Strongly Condemned Abortion: Then Cardinal Bergoglio Clearly Supported Denying Communion To Anyone Who Facilitates Abortion…

….In his archdiocese, Cardinal Bergoglio promoted a special blessing for mothers and their unborn children. Moreover, on behalf of the bishops of Latin America, also in 2007, Cardinal Bergoglio presented the "Aparecida Document" regarding the situation of the Church in their countries. The document, approved by Pope Benedict XVI in July of that year, made a very clear statement regarding the consequences of supporting abortion, disallowing holy communion for anyone who facilitates an abortion, including politicians.

The text states in paragraph 436 that "we should commit ourselves to ‘eucharistic coherence’, that is, we should be conscious that people cannot receive holy communion and at the same time act or speak against the commandments, in particular when abortion, euthanasia, and other serious crimes against life and family are facilitated. This responsibility applies particularly to legislators, governors, and health professionals."

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I understand the theological point your making. But it’s bad logic. The church stems from the clergy.

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If you were consistent with your "good logic," you'd accept the label of Leftist, believer that America is racist AF and okay with 12 yo girls being molested in public because you are an American, and America is presently being led/ruled by assholes that are all those things and more.

So you can’t take communion if you are divorced regardless of the reason but if you support abortion you can? We have a problem.

Why does even teach its tenets if they don’t hold accountable it’s own followers.. we aren’t talking forgiveness but active disassociation with major issues..