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re: Vatican warns bishops not to deny communion to Biden, politicians over abortion
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:26 am to Crimson Wraith
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:26 am to Crimson Wraith
Wait 10-14 days. While I disagree with many opinions of this pope, he is the most misquoted pope in history.
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Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:27 am to TDsngumbo
I went to Catholic Grade School and High School. 90% of what they taught was made up rituals, procedures, etc.
They change their stance on everything. They want to be as WOKE as any Liberal. The Pope approves of GAY UNIONS you just can't call it marriage. The Pope approves of Chinese having no human rights. The Pope does NOT want to offend any LBGTQX.
You can get married 10 times and have 10 kids and still get them annulled with a form and contribution and get married in the Biggest Cathedral by the Pope himself.
And really. Why is there a POPE?? Wears a clown hat. That might be a tip off. Jesus did not say let there be a Pope elected by Bishops to rule over everybody. He only selected Peter to lead conversions.
They change their stance on everything. They want to be as WOKE as any Liberal. The Pope approves of GAY UNIONS you just can't call it marriage. The Pope approves of Chinese having no human rights. The Pope does NOT want to offend any LBGTQX.
You can get married 10 times and have 10 kids and still get them annulled with a form and contribution and get married in the Biggest Cathedral by the Pope himself.
And really. Why is there a POPE?? Wears a clown hat. That might be a tip off. Jesus did not say let there be a Pope elected by Bishops to rule over everybody. He only selected Peter to lead conversions.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:32 am to Freauxzen
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If you are a
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true Catholics
You'd never consider one.
I think a good Catholic would get some guidance from someone of authority in the church before doing it. I honestly don’t know how my wife’s health issues affects how the church feels about it so before doing it I would like to get their opinion. If it’s still 100% against it, I believe I wouldn’t go through with it.
This post was edited on 6/16/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:37 am to FightinTigersDammit
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If you say you are personally opposed to abortion, but support policies that result in more abortions, how opposed are you really?
If you vote Democrat, you "support policies that result in more abortions", and, IMHO, you are supporting abortion. You can go to Church all you want, but, my opinion remains the same.
Which Church that wishes to continue to exist can afford tell every Democrat voter to go away until you no longer vote Democrat? None.
The Christian Churches are all full of people who vote Democrat because it is impossible for the large Denominations and Churches to expel all Democrats.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:40 am to Freauxzen
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This too.
It's a pandora's box that will be tough to shut. And I don't necessarily disagree with taking that step, but it would be a deathblow to the public relevancy of the Catholic church by taking that sort of stand.
All of the, what I can only guess are Protestants calling the Church "Evil," and "Pagan," would turn to calling the Church "totalitarian" and "big brother," and "too political."
This is one of the handful of decisions where Francis is at least being wise. I hope he has a bigger conversation planned and this isn't a hard no, but a "Let's talk about what this means."
There is no large Christian denomination that currently and actively expels Democrats from their congregation. None. And there never will be.
As such, it is illogical to expect one to do so, ESPECIALLY when that particular Democrat is the current POTUS.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:41 am to Adam Banks
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Either you have beliefs and doctrine or you have none.
By that measure, then, every Christian Church in existence in the USA is a complete fraud because none of them expel Democrats.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:44 am to udtiger
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frick this heretic pope.
By your measure then every Christian church Pastor who permits any Democrat in the congregation is a "heretic" and a fraud.
I'm not saying that I disagree with you. Your view has some merit.
I'm just trying to be thorough with the implications of this particular position.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 8:45 am to Champagne
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By your measure then every Christian church Pastor who permits any Democrat in the congregation is a "heretic" and a fraud.
No. Bad analogy if you have the Catholic view of what the Eucharist represents.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:06 am to Crimson Wraith
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“The concern in the Vatican is not to use access to the Eucharist as a political weapon,” Antonio Spadaro, a Jesuit priest and ally of the pope, told the Times.
Lets see here. We have the Pope in white and the Jesuit priest in Black. Is there a "Grey Pope"?
As a Baptist, that went to Catholic school until the 8th grade, I became quite confused, early on. I think I may be less confused now.
Maybe.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:30 am to Mo Jeaux
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No. Bad analogy if you have the Catholic view of what the Eucharist represents.
Explain.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:44 am to udtiger
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If I stand on the Church steps before 9:30 Mass and proclaim I am in favor of abortion and gay marriage
First, it does actually depend WHY you are in favor. Hence the issue with all of these. It is an interior conversation and understanding.
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and that the Church is defying God by its doctrine
Well that's a whole other sin that yes, you should be withheld the Eucharist for.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:46 am to Knight of Old
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Hahaha - sorry, but Catholics already use the Eucharist as a delimiter.
Any Protestant church will clearly state that ‘all are welcome’, but not so much the Catholic Church: only those initiated, thank you.
If Catholics want to limit participation only to adherents, that is purely within their purview…
Don't be obtuse when they say all are welcome, Anyone can step inside of a Church for mass. Anyone.
Yes, the Eucharist has a very small set of limits, and ANYONE can take it as long as they adhere, accept Christ and the Church and it's teaching, be in a state of grace and baptized. Those are the only requirements.
That does effectively mean all are welcome.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:49 am to Freauxzen
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First, it does actually depend WHY you are in favor. Hence the issue with all of these. It is an interior conversation and understanding.
You keep trying to draw this meaningless distinction.
Biden does not just support it as some nonsensical aspect of freedom. To say he personally opposes it but doesn't want to restrict it is asinine. He supports the government funding it. That is proactive.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 9:57 am to Crimson Wraith
I have never respected this pope. This just solidifies my belief.
Roman Catholics, how can you support this man?
Roman Catholics, how can you support this man?
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:00 am to Turbeauxdog
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You keep trying to draw this meaningless distinction.
Biden does not just support it as some nonsensical aspect of freedom. To say he personally opposes it but doesn't want to restrict it is asinine. He supports the government funding it. That is proactive.
I'm not trying to draw it for Biden but I make the assumption there are Democrats with a much more tumultuous relationship to this kind of decision.
I've already send Biden shouldn't receive, but as soon as we open the door to this concept, it doesn't, and shouldn't, end with Biden, hence needing to fully understand the impact. And fully draw the lines of what "supporting abortion" means. How far does it go?
To be clear, blocking Biden, but no one else, is a political statement. Figuring out how to do this at scale, as part of the doctrine, is not.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:04 am to bamarep
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Y'all tell me the Catholic church isn't evil
And remember, the Church is "infallible"
, their excuse is individual evil men infiltrating the ranks, but the fact that shite like this is happening proves otherwise. 
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:17 am to jimmarley
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I have never respected this pope. This just solidifies my belief.
Roman Catholics, how can you support this man?
I will always support my Faith and the Catholic Church.
This Pope is one that I don't agree with in many subjects, in fact I have had several conferences with my own Priest about what the Pope has said and how it has bothered me as a Catholic.
Father Joe has always remained me that the Pope is not perfect! We do not believe or are taught that the pope is infallible in everything he says, in fact official invocation of infallibility is very rare. So when this pope makes a statement like he did about Biden, that is not something I have to believe, it is not something the priests have to believe, but only an order from your boss. I am willing to bet that there are plenty of priests that wouldn't follow his instructions due to their Faith.
I refuse to let one man negatively influence my love for the Catholic Church and all the love and comfort is has given me in my life.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:25 am to ShoeBang
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And remember, the Church is "infallible"
No it isn't.
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:30 am to Freauxzen
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No it isn't
I agree with you, obviously. The Church claims otherwise however
Posted on 6/16/21 at 10:51 am to TDsngumbo
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The Catholic Church is a ridiculous joke and has been for way too long. This is par for the course. My wish is for parishioners to stop going and stop donating. They should also have their exemptions removed and their lands taxed. Screw them
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by dafif
I’ll make sure I donate $20 on Sunday in dafif’s name.
I actually got married in the catholic church. Going to pre-canna (sp?) was hilarious.
Thanks for the prayers. I hope the 4 downvoters pray for me too. It is not that I am not religious. It is they hypocrisy of the catholic church and this pope. There are so many things wrong with the catholic church as to be almost insurmountable as an entire organization.
If I am wrong, I will listen but start with massive pedophilia and go from there over to marriage views, child views, divorce views, views on homosexuality...and then cross reference with the actual Bible used as their source of evidence of the viewspoints.
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