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re: Question for the PT junta regarding Flu being counted as Covid.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:26 am to JT
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:26 am to JT
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In the hospital where I work, people who are having flu-like symptoms are being tested for flu at the same time as COVID. There is no conspiracy to count the positive flu tests as COVID at our hospital. The fact is there are very few positive flu tests in the patient population, and I know this is 100% true. No one knows why exactly but this is the way it is.
The easiest explanation to imagine is that masks and social distancing have likely made a big impact. That does not mean it is the only reason flu is so scarce this year, but until a better theory with strong supporting data is put forward, I am leaning toward the widespread masking as the most likely cause for decreased flu transmission.
Same with my hospital. And there is no pressure for it to go either way. Lab companies just report results. They do not care which way the results go.
Y'all may not know, but masking during flu season was always a requirement for healthcare workers who refused or could not take the flu vaccine. It was always believed that masking reduced the transmission of influenza. I think it will be likely that this will be the recommendation for healthcare workers and COVID as well. Vaccinate or be masked.
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Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:28 am to HubbaBubba
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LOL. Covid patients were not in isolated beds if tested positive. They were sent home to deal with it and told to "call your doctor if it got worse".
Yeah, this is 100% what happened with Mrs. Midnight. They gave her a script for an antibiotic (
), a treatment regimen that had, essentially, vitamins and minerals and told her to call if symptoms worsened.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:28 am to HubbaBubba
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LOL. Covid patients were not in isolated beds if tested positive. They were sent home to deal with it and told to "call your doctor if it got worse".
People sick enough to be admitted to the hospital are admitted to the hospital, whether positive for COVID or not.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:33 am to JT
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LOL. Covid patients were not in isolated beds if tested positive. They were sent home to deal with it and told to "call your doctor if it got worse".
People sick enough to be admitted to the hospital are admitted to the hospital, whether positive for COVID or not.
Correct! People are often in the hospital for other things and maybe were already exposed to COVID, began showing symptoms, and were tested while already in the hospital. At that point, they go under droplet isolation protocols. All hospital staff wasn't constantly walking around in N95's. We only had those who were working with these isolation patients gowned up and wearing N95's. Everyone else is just in goggles/face shields and masks.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:44 am to Robin Masters
I think both things are true...
-the measures taken (social distancing, shutdowns, masks) probably did make flu cases lower than normal
-AND some counted COVID cases were actually the flu
IMO Both can be true at the same time
-the measures taken (social distancing, shutdowns, masks) probably did make flu cases lower than normal
-AND some counted COVID cases were actually the flu
IMO Both can be true at the same time
This post was edited on 5/15/21 at 5:42 am
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:48 am to PhDoogan
Also with most flu cases, you spike a fever. With covid-19, the fever seems to be less. It was getting less common before covid, but when people got the flu they would still go to work or out shopping as if that showed how tough they were. I doubt anyone running a fever over 100, where you would visibly look sick, were allowed to go anywhere in the past year. You certainly weren't getting on a plane.
I imagine after covid that you will get kicked out of a business or sent home if you show up with any type of fever. Some states might even make it a crime if you knowingly had a fever but tried to go to work or go to a sporting event / shopping anyway.
I imagine after covid that you will get kicked out of a business or sent home if you show up with any type of fever. Some states might even make it a crime if you knowingly had a fever but tried to go to work or go to a sporting event / shopping anyway.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:51 am to Robin Masters
DeSantis noted the case of a boy in Germany who had both covid and flu. Based on tracking and contact tracing, he infected one person with covid and 30 with flu. Mere anecdote, but interesting.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 9:58 am to Auburn1968
Maybe the flu virus numbers have been inflated for years to condition your mind for something.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:35 am to mmcgrath
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Also with most flu cases, you spike a fever. With covid-19, the fever seems to be less.
Most people with COVID symptoms do have fever.
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I imagine after covid that you will get kicked out of a business or sent home if you show up with any type of fever.
This should have always been true. You should not be at work, school, wherever with a fever. Nothing new here except that people are now actually more aware of this.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:37 am to Robin Masters
if masking eradicates flu, how come increased mask utilization showed almost zero correlation to covid case drops?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 10:42 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:please cite. Studies have shown that masks are effective, including against covid. They are far from 100%.
if masking eradicates flu, how come increased mask utilization showed almost zero correlation to covid case drops?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:03 am to mmcgrath
After the fake HCQ political hit job studies were exposed, I'd trust nothing coming out of the states. But there have been several studies showing that masking does nothing (or little) to stop covid. Not American studies backed by partisans either - studies from European scientists who are actually interested in truth, not narratives.
Dutch
Danish
And please don't waste my time linking the typical WaPo/NYT attacks on this research. They mean less than nothing to anyone with a functioning brain.
We also know that Covid particulates can get much smaller than the 5 micron protection provided by the N95, which, as a matter of function, highly limits the N95 and pretty much makes cloth masking useless. If that doesn't light your candle, go take a look at any mask utilization rate chart for the US and hold it over a chart showing case growth over the same time period. Scientists know all of this already. They just figure masks are better than nothing, and if you pay attention, they are telling us this pretty much every time they speak.
Dutch
Danish
And please don't waste my time linking the typical WaPo/NYT attacks on this research. They mean less than nothing to anyone with a functioning brain.
We also know that Covid particulates can get much smaller than the 5 micron protection provided by the N95, which, as a matter of function, highly limits the N95 and pretty much makes cloth masking useless. If that doesn't light your candle, go take a look at any mask utilization rate chart for the US and hold it over a chart showing case growth over the same time period. Scientists know all of this already. They just figure masks are better than nothing, and if you pay attention, they are telling us this pretty much every time they speak.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:14 am to Robin Masters
Took my daughter to Urgent Care in January. I thought she had COVID, but it came back as a viral infection. The flu is a type of viral infection, but she wasn’t tested for the flu just given the diagnosis of a VI. It was treated just like any other flu I have seen.
A lot of the kids from her school had “Viral Infections” this year, but not one of them was diagnosed with the flu.
Pretty sure the viral infections around here were the flu.
A lot of the kids from her school had “Viral Infections” this year, but not one of them was diagnosed with the flu.
Pretty sure the viral infections around here were the flu.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:15 am to Vacherie Saint
quote:So you won't listen to any studies except those you agree with? Shocked.
After the fake HCQ political hit job studies were exposed, I'd trust nothing coming out of the states. But there have been several studies showing that masking does nothing (or little) to stop covid. Not American studies backed by partisans either - studies from European scientists who are actually interested in truth, not narratives.
Dutch
Danish
And please don't waste my time linking the typical WaPo/NYT attacks on this research. They mean less than nothing to anyone with a functioning brain.
We also know that Covid particulates can get much smaller than the 5 micron protection provided by the N95, which, as a matter of function, highly limits the N95 and pretty much makes cloth masking useless. If that doesn't light your candle, go take a look at any mask utilization rate chart for the US and hold it over a chart showing case growth over the same time period. Scientists know all of this already. They just figure masks are better than nothing, and if you pay attention, they are telling us this pretty much every time they speak.
You might also want to know that your own link cites studies showing that the masks are effective including:
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The study compared states in the U.S. that mandate community use of face coverings to mitigate novel coronavirus with states that haven’t adopted such a mandate. Mandating face mask use in public was associated with a decline in the daily growth rate in coronavirus cases.
So you appear to be illiterate as well as intentionally ignorant.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:22 am to mmcgrath
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So you won't listen to any studies except those you agree with? Shocked.
Who doesn't do this? You certainly do.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:29 am to JT
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forward, I am leaning toward the widespread masking as the most likely cause for decreased flu transmission.
So wouldn’t places where masks and lockdowns were lifted show an increase in flu?
Maybe they do. I don’t know.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:31 am to mmcgrath
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Travel restrictions stopped the flu more than anything else. Various strains rely on travel to move between regions, finding areas where resistance has worn off in a population. Covid-19 spread because no one was resistant anywhere for the most part.
Also flu generally has a much shorter incubation period, so less of a chance to spread.
Reasonable claim but the places which lifted travel along with masking restrictions should show an increase in flu. Do they?
Posted on 5/14/21 at 11:55 am to David_DJS
quote:His own link said they were effective!
Who doesn't do this? You certainly do.
There is limited effectiveness when they aren't worn correctly or when people gather in sizeable indoor groups. Overall they provide some effectiveness.
But even if you don't believe that, the poster said that there is no correlation between places with mask mandates and covid spread, which is completely false. Mostly because mask mandates usually come with other measures and public awareness. So there is a correlation, even if you don't believe in the causation.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:00 pm to Robin Masters
quote:I am not aware of any country that completely lifted travel yet. Likewise, I don't think ANY airline will let you board with a fever. That used to be restricted to places that had local outbreaks of stuff like Ebola.
Reasonable claim but the places which lifted travel along with masking restrictions should show an increase in flu. Do they?
Even if you get on a plane there are mandatory quarantine orders in many places.
We will probably find out a bit in Australia soon. Otherwise we might see a rebound in the US next winter.
Posted on 5/14/21 at 12:08 pm to mmcgrath
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I am not aware of any country that completely lifted travel yet. Likewise, I don't think ANY airline will let you board with a fever. That used to be restricted to places that had local outbreaks of stuff like Ebola.
Even if you get on a plane there are mandatory quarantine orders in many places.
We will probably find out a bit in Australia soon. Otherwise we might see a rebound in the US next winter.
Thanks for the responses, from both you and JT. My guess, being the trained medical professional that I am, is that it's a combination of mask wearing, flu shots, cleanliness, and maybe most of all, working from home and staying at home.
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