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LA DOC wastes millions ever year keeping inmates past their release date
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:45 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:45 am
and a prisoner is suing them over it
wow
there is bureaucracy, and then there is Louisiana bureaucracy
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A formerly incarcerated man has filed a lawsuit arguing that the Louisiana Department of Corrections regularly and knowingly imprisons people past their release dates — a practice the department has been aware of for the better part of a decade.
This is the second such lawsuit filed on the subject, coming several months after the Department of Justice opened a statewide civil investigation into release practices at DOC facilities.
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Apart from the legal ramifications of over-detention, the DOC estimated in a 2019 grant application that "housing alone costs the state an extra $2.8M per year," according to the lawsuit.
wow
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In addition to not keeping a record or count of the people who are serving longer than their sentence — other than through specific investigations — the lawsuit says the release date time calculation process involves a convoluted system for transferring paperwork from one agency to another, often requiring records to be physically driven across the state for hand delivery.
there is bureaucracy, and then there is Louisiana bureaucracy
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Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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the lawsuit says the release date time calculation process involves a convoluted system for transferring paperwork from one agency to another, often requiring records to be physically driven across the state for hand delivery.
That shouldn't be a thing in 2021.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
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LA wastes millions ever year
fify
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:47 am to SlowFlowPro
frick this stupid state. Way past saving.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:50 am to SlowFlowPro
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transferring paperwork from one agency to another, often requiring records to be physically driven across the state for hand delivery.
That government contract is probably subbed out to Landrieu Delivery Service in NOLA
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 8:51 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:51 am to SlowFlowPro
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process involves a convoluted system for transferring paperwork from one agency to another, often requiring records to be physically driven across the state for hand delivery
How the frick does this happen in 2021?
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knowingly imprisons people past their release dates
ummm if this is proven true(being LA, I have no doubt it is) then the state is gonna pay out the arse. And rightfully should, either these people are a danger to society and shouldnt be released or quit wasting money to keep them these past their release.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:51 am to lsu777
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ummm if this is proven true
i'm not uncertain that it's true
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:53 am to SlowFlowPro
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i'm not uncertain that it's true
Remember, apparently the sentence computation formula is "complex"
I could design them a sweet automated Excel spreadsheet if they want.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 8:54 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:54 am to GetCocky11
It is complex, but jailhouse lawyers are experts on it, so yeah, the government should have some automated systems to do it right.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:56 am to GetCocky11
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the lawsuit says the release date time calculation process involves a convoluted system for transferring paperwork from one agency to another, often requiring records to be physically driven across the state for hand delivery.
That shouldn't be a thing in 2021.
It's an incredibly antiquated practice, much like the requirement that service of process in civil suits filed in Louisiana state courts must first be attempted by the sheriff's office.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:58 am to brewhan davey
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It's an incredibly antiquated practice, much like the requirement that service of process in civil suits filed in Louisiana state courts must first be attempted by the sheriff's office.
yeah that is a major bit of cronyism but i will admit i do like it sometimes. Covid made a bunch of clerks get onboad with e-filing so it's only a matter of time before the service rules will be updated for private process following e-filing like pretty much everywhere else
Posted on 3/1/21 at 8:59 am to SlowFlowPro
This has Burl Cain written all over it....private prison CEOs gotta get paid.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:01 am to LSU316
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private prison CEOs gotta get paid.
has literally nothing to do with this
this is purely an issue of public incompetency and bureaucracy
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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has literally nothing to do with this
Are we not paying the 50$-ish/day for the days that prisoners are in prison after their release date????
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this is purely an issue of public incompetency and bureaucracy
This is definitely not done without purpose.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 9:04 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:03 am to SlowFlowPro
Your tax dollars at waste.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:04 am to LSU316
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Are we not paying the 50$-ish/day for the days that prisoners are in prison after their release date????
yes but anything related to these issues is a public-based issue and any private actors have no power or influence
this is just pure a systematic bureaucratic frickup
*ETA: trust me various sheriffs across the state are the ones making bank off these errors at exponentially higher rates than any private actors
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 9:05 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:05 am to SlowFlowPro
The legislature is really to blame for this. Sentencing is a total disaster so that the legislature can make people believe they've set these hefty sentences...all while also dictating an absurd amount of "good time" which every prisoner gets by default.
Get rid of good time and just make the sentencing ranges be the actual sentence a person will serve. If you want people to only serve a max of 3.5 on a burglary, set the sentencing range at 0-3.5 instead of 0-10 with a mandatory 65% good time.
Local jails can't calculate good time or release an individual sentenced to DOC - it has to be done by DOC. This includes people who have been in for a year pretrial and plead to 1 year in court that day - the Sheriff doesn't have authority to issue that release because the sentence is in the custody of DOC.
If you want to keep the current structure, they need to appropriate funds for a system wide program that all local agencies can input sentences into and it can immediately be processed and a release issued the same day if necessary.
Get rid of good time and just make the sentencing ranges be the actual sentence a person will serve. If you want people to only serve a max of 3.5 on a burglary, set the sentencing range at 0-3.5 instead of 0-10 with a mandatory 65% good time.
Local jails can't calculate good time or release an individual sentenced to DOC - it has to be done by DOC. This includes people who have been in for a year pretrial and plead to 1 year in court that day - the Sheriff doesn't have authority to issue that release because the sentence is in the custody of DOC.
If you want to keep the current structure, they need to appropriate funds for a system wide program that all local agencies can input sentences into and it can immediately be processed and a release issued the same day if necessary.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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any private actors have no power or influence
That's a pretty bold assumption.
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this is just pure a systematic bureaucratic frickup
I don't believe in this type of frickup happening by chance.....especially not a frickup worth 2+ million dollars.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:07 am to SlowFlowPro
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trust me various sheriffs across the state are the ones making bank off these errors at exponentially higher rates than any private actors
This is fact....so undoubtedly Ricky Edwards and LSA has a hand in it as well.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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much like the requirement that service of process in civil suits filed in Louisiana state courts must first be attempted by the sheriff's office.
Well, I do have one issue with this.
While cumbersome, it is a necessary process.
How would you like to be sued and have a 3rd party private process server say that they gave you the suit and didn't follow the necessary steps and say they gave it to you but didn't and you get a default judgement against you?
In Louisiana, you only have 15 calendar days to respond to a civil suit once being served by the sheriff's office before a default judgement can be requested. It would be nice for that to be increased to 30 days.
By having the SO do this job of the court, it at least has some accountability built-in.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 9:13 am
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