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re: LA DOC wastes millions ever year keeping inmates past their release date
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
Once again Louisiana proves itself to be a banana republic.
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Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:10 am to SlowFlowPro
How do they not have a system in place that sends an email stating so and so is free to go today? shite the fricking dentist have appt reminders set up to go out every 6 months in their system. The jail system can’t figure this out?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:11 am to Tarps99
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How would you like to be sued and have a 3rd party private process server say that they gave you the suit and didn't follow the necessary steps and say they gave it to you but didn't and you get a default judgement against you?
i mean, how does pretty much every other state and the feds deal with this problem?
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:13 am to tigafan4life
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How do they not have a system in place that sends an email stating so and so is free to go today?
they do it's just backed up and relies on paperwork from other institutions that may be delivered late
when you're dealing with issues like credit for time served, there may be 3-4 institutions who have to deliver incarceration information for it to count. sometimes you're dealing with city jails that are terribly run without any real administration.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:20 am to SlowFlowPro
Louisiana is like a third world country only their education system is worse.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:37 am to SlowFlowPro
Who the frick complains about free room, board and meals? Some people, I swear!
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:38 am to SlowFlowPro
Their "release date" typically includes some incredibly shortened time based on offender class, "good time" calculations, time served before sentencing, among other factors. I agree they should be released on their "release date" but I don't feel bad if they aren't. They are already getting an absurd amount of time taken off and DOC isn't "losing" money for holding people over, they just aren't taking advantage of the savings they could realize. Remember, these felons are still "in custody" of DOC for the entire time of their sentence, just the supervision is swapping venues (prison to home for parole).
For example, an offender gets five years hard labor suspended, five years probation. The offender violates probation and has to back up those five years. Often he gets credit for any time served while awaiting sentence plus time on probation. He gets his diminution of sentence and is released in 15 months. He is now on parole for the remainder. It's a joke. Most of the time, these holdovers are in the process of transferring supervision since they are still in the custody of DOC. These aren't people that are serving a hard five years and are held over past their release date.
For example, an offender gets five years hard labor suspended, five years probation. The offender violates probation and has to back up those five years. Often he gets credit for any time served while awaiting sentence plus time on probation. He gets his diminution of sentence and is released in 15 months. He is now on parole for the remainder. It's a joke. Most of the time, these holdovers are in the process of transferring supervision since they are still in the custody of DOC. These aren't people that are serving a hard five years and are held over past their release date.
This post was edited on 3/1/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 3/1/21 at 9:48 am to SlowFlowPro
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they do it's just backed up and relies on paperwork from other institutions that may be delivered late
when you're dealing with issues like credit for time served, there may be 3-4 institutions who have to deliver incarceration information for it to count. sometimes you're dealing with city jails that are terribly run without any real administration.
Correct. DOC was running off Cajun for the longest time (imagine MS DOS) but the new system is integrated with other state systems. Getting records from all of the other institutions (locally) then calculating the time is the problem. And it's not like these are easy calculations either. The good time or diminution calculations are difficult enough but add in many of these fools backing up time on multiple cases across multiple districts (some running concurrent some consecutive) and having different offender classes at different times of different convictions, it is a bitch.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:08 am to SlowFlowPro
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any private actors have no power or influence
LOL
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:09 am to The Melt
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They are already getting an absurd amount of time taken off and DOC isn't "losing" money for holding people over, they just aren't taking advantage of the savings they could realize.
DOC doesn't write (at least most) of these laws. these are statutory time computations that DOC is bound to follow
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He gets his diminution of sentence and is released in 15 months. He is now on parole for the remainder. It's a joke. Most of the time, these holdovers are in the process of transferring supervision since they are still in the custody of DOC.
outside of the 45-60 day time period the defendant is advised the calculations will take, once that release date occurs after that 45-60 period, it's on DOC 100%. this is literally their mandated job
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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In addition to not keeping a record or count of the people who are serving longer than their sentence
of course they don't
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:10 am to The Melt
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it is a bitch.
sure, but it's their job
and it's not just that they're doing a terrible job in this area, they're doing even worse with all the other ancillary issues associated with it (like keeping track of inmates who are being kept past release date)
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:34 am to SlowFlowPro
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sure, but it's their job
and it's not just that they're doing a terrible job in this area, they're doing even worse with all the other ancillary issues associated with it (like keeping track of inmates who are being kept past release date)
I’m not saying it’s not their job and that they don’t suck at it but the legislature has repeatedly laid shite sandwiches on their lap and told them to deal with it with no budget or staff increases. Every statutory change, which happens often, means a ton of recalculations on top of the backlog they already have. The legislature has set them up to fail. Here’s thousands of hours of more work but do it with less people and money. Then the next set of laws go into effect, changing the calculations again, year after year. The legislature has as much blame as the DOC in this matter. With each change, it also shortens the amount of time they have to get everything done which compounds the issue. It also doesn’t help that the fools they let out, should be let out early and many just end up reoffending adding to the burden.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 10:35 am to GetCocky11
It’s worse. SNAP and healthcare benefits are cut off when you are incarcerated. DCFS and DHH had systems in place that were ready to connect with DOC in real time. The purpose was to run constant queries in order to update eligibility. The problem was that DOC internal system was SIX months behind. Thus the eligibility list was SIX months old and not current at any given time a query was run. Prisoners received millions of SNAP , FITAP and other benefits while in jail bc DOC could upload incarceration info in real time.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 11:47 am to The Melt
Of all the wastefulness in Louisiana, keeping a bunch of convicts locked up beyond their release date is probably #1 on my “don’t give a shite” list.
Boo hoo you fricking thugs. Know how to avoid the inconvenience? Don’t break the fricking law!!.
I’d rather they keep these people locked up a little longer and eliminate waste at DHH or in the university system.
Boo hoo you fricking thugs. Know how to avoid the inconvenience? Don’t break the fricking law!!.
I’d rather they keep these people locked up a little longer and eliminate waste at DHH or in the university system.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
LDOC getting paid....I guarantee there is fedearal monies involved in the byzantine calculations
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
That monetary calculation is a typical lawyer’s trick. Divide the total cost of DOC per annum by the number of inmates and get a per day cost. Then add up the number of day/costs.
It’s not nothing, I’m sure, but those facilities and employees would still cost the same whether those inmates served those extra days or not.
That’s not to say that there isn’t a problem with over-stays, but a lawyer filing a law suit against the state is going to slant his position as much as possible.
Oh, and by the way, inmates do take loss of Good Time as a big deal, and therefore GT is a useful deterrent to misbehavior in prisons. Just a little extra to chew on while you guys are bitching.
It’s not nothing, I’m sure, but those facilities and employees would still cost the same whether those inmates served those extra days or not.
That’s not to say that there isn’t a problem with over-stays, but a lawyer filing a law suit against the state is going to slant his position as much as possible.
Oh, and by the way, inmates do take loss of Good Time as a big deal, and therefore GT is a useful deterrent to misbehavior in prisons. Just a little extra to chew on while you guys are bitching.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:45 pm to SlowFlowPro
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In addition to not keeping a record or count of the people who are serving longer than their sentence — other than through specific investigations
They knew this was happening so it’s kind of shocking that they weren’t even tracking it. Sounds like they just didn’t care unless they found out and lawyered up.
Posted on 3/1/21 at 12:46 pm to lsu777
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ummm if this is proven true(being LA, I have no doubt it is) then the state is gonna pay out the arse. And rightfully should, either these people are a danger to society and shouldnt be released or quit wasting money to keep them these past their release.
Doubtful, apparently this practice sets you up to be VP of the USA
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