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re: The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:27 pm to JTA1985
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:27 pm to JTA1985
Why is it that nobody is allowed to criticize Orgeron for foolish decisions?? No coach no matter who it is should ever be totally immune to criticism,for anyone to think anything less means they are a complete homer, and cannot objectively discuss LSU football at all.
Nobody should be downvoted simply for criticizing Orgeron when he deserves it. When he does things that work out well, I acknowledge that, and when he does things that dont work out well he needs to be called out for it.
If people here cant handle reality, they really cant discuss LSU football from anything close to an objective point of view.
Nobody should be downvoted simply for criticizing Orgeron when he deserves it. When he does things that work out well, I acknowledge that, and when he does things that dont work out well he needs to be called out for it.
If people here cant handle reality, they really cant discuss LSU football from anything close to an objective point of view.
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Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:28 pm to Choupiqueboy
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O could have avoided saying this,
Probably, he just merely verified what many already guessed.
Look, coach O put together perhaps the best all time college football team. He turned the direction of the offense from run oriented to a effective passing team. We had a QB win the Heisman. Imagine doing that in the Les Miles era.
2020 team lost 19 of 22 starters, sucks but it happens. During the season we lost our starting QB due to injury. And yeah, he did screw up the Pelini hire.
People on this board are bipolar, they don't give O credit for the good and blame him for things out of his control.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:28 pm to JTA1985
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The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
If you truly don't understand why this quote might worry people, you have not been paying attention. In terms of actual defensive Xs and Os, it is extraordinarily clear that O doesn't have a clue what he's doing.
Last off-season, O said that our defense was "lightyears" ahead of 2019....and then it was the very clear worst defense in multiple decades.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:28 pm to LNCHBOX
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LNCHBOX
Are you all there in the head or are you just trying to skirt around the fact what you said isn't a fact in your original post?
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it definitely helps people understand why a premier program with elite talent that is usually willing to pay couldn't get its top 2 choices.
That's what you said. I pointed out that is speculation on Freeman at best. Meaning you have no actual proof of this being a factor or not.
Then I pointed out that with Nielsen, by every reputable account, this was the Saints that held up the deal. He was going to be DC. That has nothing to do with O being involved in the defense.
I'm not going to sit here and say I am thrilled O is trying to get more involved but saying that's the reason we missed on Nielsen is just plain wrong and speculation on the Freeman hire.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:29 pm to rar
The head coach has every right to step in wherever he wants to because he is the head coach and it all falls back on him one way or another so I'm he wants a say in his future as the head coach.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:29 pm to LifeAquatic
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O said that our defense was "lightyears" ahead of 2019..
not the brightest bulb in the pack, 2019 was the perfect storm for him
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:30 pm to Tiger Tracker
So you don't want to name any elite coordinators looking for a "more involved" head coach? Glad we cleared that up.
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:30 pm to JTA1985
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The sky is falling because O said he would be more involved in the defense.
Dude, shut up. This is literally a message board where fans can come to post an opinion. Sorry they're not running opinions past you and some of the other uppity posters.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:34 pm to LNCHBOX
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So you don't want to name any elite coordinators looking for a "more involved" head coach? Glad we cleared that up.
I'm sorry you got caught making shite up and continue to dance around it by asking me a question that has nothing to do with you getting caught making shite up.
Not that it matters but I am sure there are very few elite coordinators who want to be micromanaged. Now can you tell me how that makes anything you said actual facts/reality?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:36 pm to tigerfan92
According to the Rant the HC isn’t responsible for anything unless it’s positive. Then it’s all him and nobody else.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:36 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I'm sorry you got caught making shite up and continue to dance around it by asking me a question that has nothing to do with you getting caught making shite up.
Not that it matters but I am sure there are very few elite coordinators who want to be micromanaged. Now can you tell me how that makes anything you said actual facts/reality?
I said it helps people understand why we have issues filling vacancies. It is most certainly an issue even if it is not the main issue for wither of those candidates. For as much as you claim I'm talking out of my arse, you're doing the exact same thing unless you somehow know for a fact it wasn't an issue for either guy.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:39 pm to The Pirate King
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Being involved does not equal micromanagement.
Agreed. But when the man says what he did, he's best suited to clarify what that means. If his involvement is with the D-Line and participating in meetings, then so be it. I am encouraged by the staff he has assembled, and they speak with purpose and clarity. I like what I heard today sans coach O's comments. Let's just hope his involvement stops at the hiring and general directional guidance.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:42 pm to CatfishJohn
He is capable of being involved with the front 7 of our defense, when he talked about learning from ole miss,he mean that he couldnt coach all players and coaches like they were d lineman.
Dont yall know that coach o is well known to be one of the better d line coaches in college football and coached some of the best d lines on cfb history.
Hes said on numerous occasions that he learned that he couldnt coach everyone that hard and the same as the d line. Dont forget,this dudenhas coached in the nfl and coached Warren sapp and other great d linemen. shite, how many rings does he have by now?
Dont yall know that coach o is well known to be one of the better d line coaches in college football and coached some of the best d lines on cfb history.
Hes said on numerous occasions that he learned that he couldnt coach everyone that hard and the same as the d line. Dont forget,this dudenhas coached in the nfl and coached Warren sapp and other great d linemen. shite, how many rings does he have by now?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:42 pm to LSU615
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This is literally a message board where fans can come to post an opinion
And the stupidity is very entertaining. Thank you.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:44 pm to LNCHBOX
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I said it helps people understand why we have issues filling vacancies. It is most certainly an issue even if it is not the main issue for wither of those candidates
You said
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it definitely helps people understand why a premier program with elite talent that is usually willing to pay couldn't get its top 2 choices.
I said that's speculation on Freeman and wrong on Nielsen based on any reputable knowledge to the situation. I mean feel free to down vote me again but it doesn't change the fact that what you're quoted as saying above is speculation or just plain wrong.
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For as much as you claim I'm talking out of my arse, you're doing the exact same thing unless you somehow know for a fact it wasn't an issue for either guy.
Again I said you speculated on Freeman. With Nielsen it was said by basically every media personality and insider that Nielsen was coming if not for the contract issue. So I would say that is as close to facts as we, the fans, get. Do you have something that directly contradicts all the reports on why Nielsen didn't end up at LSU?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:45 pm to 777Tiger
If o was stupid then why was he getting a job coaching d line every time he wanted one?
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:47 pm to Tiger Tracker
I knew it wouldnt work with Arnett. He runs the most unique defense in college football and it's not something we need to run to be effective. It's kinda gimmicky and it's a 3 3 5
This post was edited on 2/2/21 at 2:48 pm
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:47 pm to Tigerpride18
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If o was stupid then why was he getting a job coaching d line every time he wanted one?
coaching community is a very small, nepotistic world
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:48 pm to Tiger Tracker
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I said that's speculation on Freeman and wrong on Nielsen based on any reputable knowledge to the situation. I mean feel free to down vote me again but it doesn't change the fact that what you're quoted as saying above is speculation or just plain wrong.
And you again are assuming the insider knowledge is any better.
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Do you have something that directly contradicts all the reports on why Nielsen didn't end up at LSU?
No, just like you don't have anything that explicitly says he would welcome a more involved approach to head coaching. It goes both ways. Yours doesn't get to be a fact just because it's yours
The bottom line is LSU had much more issues filling this role than just about anyone expected. O's comments offer some explanation regardless of you choosing to hear it.
Posted on 2/2/21 at 2:54 pm to JTA1985
Completely agree. What successful team in the country has a head coach that is not involved at a high level with every aspect of their program? Just a question. And to bring up 2019 is a joke. Burrow himself credited O most with giving him the opportunity he had. O brought in Brady, and O also was head coach when Aranda was named to the Associate Head Coach title, hence he was at least involved in that decision as well.
It is O's team at the end of the day. If we win, its because O made the right decisions. If we lose, it is also on O. Period. People need to back off of the ledge.
It is O's team at the end of the day. If we win, its because O made the right decisions. If we lose, it is also on O. Period. People need to back off of the ledge.
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