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Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:11 am to LNCHBOX
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If I see O compared to Saban one more time, I'm gonna lose it
But that's not what you asked/said.
You asked for an example, I gave you two. Point being, it's not uncommon for a head coach to be involved.
I hope that you don't lose it.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:15 am to cyarrr
Were his coordinators elite before they went to him? You're using success they had under Saban to paint a picture that's a little different than what we're talking about here. Regardless, Saban is an outlier that will always be an exception to any rule, so again, stop comparing O to him.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:28 am to LNCHBOX
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Were his coordinators elite before they went to him? You're using success they had under Saban to paint a picture that's a little different than what we're talking about here. Regardless, Saban is an outlier that will always be an exception to any rule, so again, stop comparing O to him.
Moving the goal post but I'll answer.
Jeremy Pruitt was considered an elite DC while at Florida State prior to going to Alabama.
But now Saban is an outlier?
I also referenced Fickle/Freeman.
Like I said, I'm sure all head coaches have input on what schemes are implemented.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:29 am to cyarrr
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Moving the goal post but I'll answer.
No it isn't.
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But now Saban is an outlier?
Now? No other coach is saban
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Like I said, I'm sure all head coaches have input on what schemes are implemented.
"Have input" isn't what we're talking about though.
ETA: Forgot Fickle/Freeman ...
How much involvement did Fickell have? And would you even call Freeman elite at the time he was hired?
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 8:34 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:42 am to LNCHBOX
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Moving the goal post but I'll answer.
No it isn't.
It absolutely is.
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But now Saban is an outlier?
Now? No other coach is saban
That's not the question you originally asked. I gave multiple examples and referenced a coordinator that was considered elite before joining his staff.
Again, you moved the goal post.
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"Have input" isn't what we're talking about though.
Really?
Coach O said he would be more involved. Most people would interpret that as input.
By the way, I think you have lost it.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:45 am to cyarrr
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It absolutely is.
No it isn't. You're trying to use coach that weren't considered elite at the time to answer a question about elite coordinators.
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That's not the question you originally asked. I gave multiple examples and referenced a coordinator that was considered elite before joining his staff.
So outside of Saban, maybe, the answer is overwhelmingly no.
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Really?
Yes, really.
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Coach O said he would be more involved. Most people would interpret that as input.
By the way, I think you have lost it.
I couldn't give one shite much less two what you think I've lost. Every head coach has input. That's part of the job. Any reasonable person will take a coach saying he will be "more involved" to go beyond the bare minimum.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 8:51 am to LNCHBOX
quote:Especially given his ole miss past and how he said he'd let the coaches coach when he was hired.
Any reasonable person will take a coach saying he will be "more involved" to go beyond the bare minimum.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:02 am to LNCHBOX
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No it isn't. You're trying to use coach that weren't considered elite at the time to answer a question about elite coordinators.
-asked and answered -Jeremey Pruitt
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So outside of Saban, maybe, the answer is overwhelmingly no.
Again, not the question that you originally asked. Also I'm not saying and have never said Coach is O is Saban's equivalent or that more involvement by him is a good or bad idea.
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I couldn't give one shite much less two what you think I've lost.
-Meh
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Every head coach has input. That's part of the job. Any reasonable person will take a coach saying he will be "more involved" to go beyond the bare minimum.
So now you're qualifying how I should respond to your definition of input/involvement?
Maybe phrase your question differently next time.
Again, See above, not the original question that you asked.
This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:05 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:05 am to cyarrr
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Again, not the question that you originally asked.
So in all of the hires ever, you could come up with one fricking name
And to get to that name you had to use the greatest college coach in history, a selling point O cannot use to get élite coordinators here. quote:
So now you're qualifying how I should respond to your definition of input/involvement?
You say qualifying, I say being honest about the discussion.
Or perhaps a goal post move.This post was edited on 2/3/21 at 9:43 am
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:37 am to LNCHBOX
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So in all of the hires ever, you could come up with one fricking name
"Name one elite coordinator that is looking to have a "more involved" head coach. Just one."
This was your original question, is it not?
My answer- Pruitt, an elite coordinator, joined Alabama's staff knowing that Saban is and always has been in complete control.
I gave you an example aside from Saban's staff referencing Fickle/Freeman.
You then qualified your question to an elite coordinator prior to being hired on.
My response was Jeremy Pruitt.
You replied that Saban is the greatest of all time and as such should be excluded.
Again, that's not the question that you asked.
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You say qualifying, I say being honest about the discussion. Or perhaps a goal post move.
Honesty, it's a goal post move. You asked a question I answered. Now your saying you want to have a honest discussion.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:39 am to cyarrr
Fine, you named one. Name one more.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:49 am to LNCHBOX
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Fine, you named one. Name one more.
Google is your friend, the information is out there. As for me, I've wasted enough of my time on this.
I only answered your question because you kept calling the other poster out and were speaking in absolutes.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:52 am to cyarrr
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I only answered your question because you kept calling the other poster out and were speaking in absolutes.
For any coach not named Saban, it is an absolute. And even for Saban, there is only one example.
Congrats on finding the exception that proves the rule.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:58 am to LNCHBOX
Give it up lunchbox you lost!!
Posted on 2/3/21 at 9:58 am to LNCHBOX
Munch Box, everyone here knows you hate O. you don't need to post 65 times a day reiterating that sentiment.
The last time you were this adamant that O sucked we won a natty so I now treat you as a barometer: when Munch Box feels the need to suck the fun out of every thread on the board, good things are coming.
The last time you were this adamant that O sucked we won a natty so I now treat you as a barometer: when Munch Box feels the need to suck the fun out of every thread on the board, good things are coming.
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:00 am to Choupiqueboy
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O could have avoided saying this, TMI and that may be his death knell....
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:02 am to Bert Macklin FBI
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you don't need to post 65 times a day reiterating that sentiment.
I've never done that, and don't do it now.
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The last time you were this adamant that O sucked we won a natty so I now treat you as a barometer: when Munch Box feels the need to suck the fun out of every thread on the board, good things are coming.
What exactly am I adamant about in this thread? Did we not miss very publicly on our top two candidates?
where have I said we are going to be terrible this year? The only prediction for this year I've made is that anything more than two losses will look bad given all the talent returning and the schedule. A 10 win expectation is now adamant that O is a failure?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:09 am to LNCHBOX
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For any coach not named Saban, it is an absolute. And even for Saban, there is only one example.
Congrats on finding the exception that proves the rule.
There you go again.
Sorry, but I'm not doing research for you. I gave you examples with a 30 second google search. It shouldn't be difficult for you to find other examples.
Talk about absolutes, are you now saying Jeremy Pruitt is the only elite coordinator to accept a position knowing that the head coach will be involved in the offense/defense?
Posted on 2/3/21 at 10:19 am to CatfishJohn
To be fair, he specified he is going to be more involved in the front. So he’ll be more involved with the DL which is fine by me.
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