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re: Equity vs Equality... someone help me out

Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:02 pm to
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:02 pm to
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So the metaphor was actually shite like others asserted


When you're looking for problems with it, yeah it is!
Posted by LSUSUPERSTAR
TX
Member since Jan 2005
16329 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:03 pm to
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People are all different but the same opportunities available.


Some people have a better starting spot and some don't, that's life. But both still have the same opportunity to reach the same goal.
Posted by jimmy the leg
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:04 pm to
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What is the motivation of the baseball players to play if their product is free?


Silly goose, the people in the stands are going to pay extra to compensate for the freeloaders.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 8:05 pm
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29063 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:04 pm to
It is the ultimate form of racism.

“Equality didn’t work, some folks that we like just can’t compete, so we will rig equity. We are good at rigging things and no one dare stop us.”

“Racial Equity” is racism by blatant admission.
Posted by K9
wayx....BOBO IN '19
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:05 pm to
Equal opportunity vs equal outcome. The former is what we should be striving for.
Posted by Microtiger
Ithaca, New York
Member since Nov 2010
1435 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:05 pm to
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It is the ultimate form of racism.

“Equality didn’t work, some folks that we like just can’t compete, so we will rig equity. We are good at rigging things and no one dare stop us.”

“Racial Equity” is racism by blatant admission.


You're willingly twisting it.
Posted by ezride25
Constitutional Republic
Member since Nov 2008
24346 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:06 pm to
Equality: every team has an equal opportunity to win the championship.

Equity: regardless of a teams record or of the effort required to achieve it, every team shares equitably in winning the championship.
Posted by BlueDogTiger
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:06 pm to
Name one position in our US society that a minority has not achieved. One? Anybody
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:07 pm to


Posted by TrueTiger
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:07 pm to
Equity is just like the word "fair".

It fits right in with words like fairness, egalitarianism, socialism, and Communism.

Many movements in history have tried to close the “fairness gap” between haves and have-nots and so far these efforts have killed more people than any other idea in human history: more than 100 million dead and counting.
Posted by 1BIGTigerFan
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:09 pm to
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Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
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Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:12 pm to
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Equality: every team has an equal opportunity to win the championship.

Equity: regardless of a teams record or of the effort required to achieve it, every team shares equitably in winning the championship.


Equality: anyone can shop at the grocery store and choose their own ingredients and foods and some can buy more and some can buy less and some can buy filet and some can buy frozen ground meat but everyone has equal access to the store and life is what you make it

Equity: there is no store. The government owns the store. Now there is only item in the store: old bread. and everyone gets a single ticket for a slice of bread each week.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37409 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:13 pm to
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It's a pretty good metaphor if you're not a callous selfish hole of a person




It would be correct if you cut the legs off the first guy, gave them to third guy and took the box away from the second guy to give half a box to third guy.

That way, no one sees over the fence. That's equity.

The problem with the picture is that you aren't showing what you have to take away from "the advantaged" to make up for it. That first guy loses in equity. Always.
This post was edited on 1/26/21 at 8:14 pm
Posted by StringedInstruments
Member since Oct 2013
18465 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:14 pm to
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Equity is we divide everyone in groups by race or gender or culture and we pass policy or laws to make sure everyone gets the exact same outcome or result.



I think it’s worse than this. Discrimination is welcomed and encouraged when it comes to equity. I think Ibram X guy literally says it’s okay to make sure white people get less because white people getting less helps black people gain equity.
Posted by Freauxzen
Utah
Member since Feb 2006
37409 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:14 pm to
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Nguyener


Beat me to it.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:14 pm to
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It would be correct if you cut the legs off the first guy, gave them to third guy and took the box away from the second guy to give half a box to third guy.

That way, no one sees over the fence. That's equity.

The problem with the picture is that you aren't showing what you have to take away from "the advantaged" to make up for it. That first guy loses in equity. Always.


Yup.

Posted by Bulldogblitz
In my house
Member since Dec 2018
26792 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:15 pm to
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Name one position in our US society that a minority has not achieved. One?


Grand wizard.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:25 pm to
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You're willingly twisting it.


No he’s not.

Equity is saying, even though there is an equal playing field you still aren’t good enough to achieve the same outcome as others so we are just going to give you what they have earned.

In shear numbers there are more white people living in poverty than black people. So what are you going to do about the situation where Lebron James’ son technically qualifies for some equity program while a white kid in a trailer park in West Virginia doesn’t.

All because of the color of their skin.

You’re damn right it’s racism. frick you and your kind for trying to change the definitions. You are poking a bear you shouldn’t poke.
Posted by greygoose
Member since Aug 2013
11468 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Communism is we divide everyone in groups by race or gender or culture and we pass policy or laws to make sure everyone gets the exact same outcome or result.




FIFY
Posted by Tiguar
Montana
Member since Mar 2012
33131 posts
Posted on 1/26/21 at 8:36 pm to
Sunsets are already free. I don’t get it.
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