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re: Ok can we fire Cregg now?

Posted on 1/2/21 at 4:06 pm to
Posted by LifeAquatic
Member since Dec 2019
1811 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 4:06 pm to
If we keep cregg on staff we will go the way of Florida state. Seriously—we’re in the beginning stages of what happened to them. If we don’t come through with a MASSIVE 2022 OL haul, we are going to be fricked.



Cregg is simply incapable of bringing in a massive OL haul. We need to fire him NOW, while we still have time to pull in the 2022 kids. Mark my words, if cregg is given another year, it will be the most disastrous decision that O has made in his tenure as HC.



Give Mawae a blank check. I don’t give a shite if this is a position that you don’t usually have to break out the big money for—it’s an absolute slam dunk hire at a position of DESPERATE need.



Get it done, Scott.
Posted by birdmanlsu
Texas
Member since Apr 2019
72 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 4:36 pm to
I agree with you.
Posted by des4271
Member since Oct 2014
4034 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 4:48 pm to
LSU seems to always lose out when it comes to elite OL. Is it bad recruiting? I can understand elite OTs not committing back in the Miles era but with the type offense LSU has now, it seems they should be able to land at least 1 of the very elite guys.
Posted by Imber
Member since Sep 2017
12998 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 5:36 pm to
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What’s the positive side for keeping him on?


Posted by Tiger79
Zachary
Member since Apr 2009
7356 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 6:34 pm to
Dude sucks at getting elite Oline men we habe a 3* and. 4* that's it. PITIFUL!!
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:10 pm to
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We beat bama for Sage Ryan and Maason smith. What are you talking about?


You really want to go there AT7???

We aren’t supposed to lose any instate recruits that WE want to Bama and yes we did beat them for Smith and Ryan “who is a freaking legacy with his Uncle on staff” but did we beat Bama for Moses, Harris, D Smith and Bolden??? All major contributors to Bama’s success on the field this year and one of them is winning the Heisman this year also duhhhhhhh

Bama kicks our arse in recruiting, they are able to compete really well in Louisiana for top recruits! And that can’t be denied and shouldn’t happen!
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
4418 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:47 pm to
Fianlly someone that understands what is important to a HS OL recruit and his father.
NFL HOF promising to teach his son how to make it to and in the NFL.
Cregg offers nothing...and that is basically what we get in recruiting compared to the top programs. Fix it or else.
Posted by QB
Louisiana
Member since Sep 2013
4418 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:49 pm to
Do this with Mawae or FORGETABOUTIT!
Posted by TexasTiger24
Houston
Member since Feb 2019
2308 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 7:59 pm to
Yep
Posted by Cuz413
Member since Nov 2007
7563 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:05 pm to
Go get Stacey Searels back. Was here 2003-2006. Currently is the OL coach at North Carolina
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 8:09 pm
Posted by Chalkywhite84
New orleans
Member since Dec 2016
27454 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:12 pm to
They are already paying cregg like 600k

I think top o line coaches make 800 to 1mil, so an extra 200 grand and you can get a top guy
Posted by Howyouluhdat
On Fleek St
Member since Jan 2015
7564 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:29 pm to
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Bama kicks our arse in recruiting, they are able to compete really well in Louisiana for top recruits! And that can’t be denied and shouldn’t happen!




You are a fricking clown. Saban is on his way to his SEVENTH national championship. He can get recruit from where ever the frick he wants. Until you realize that you will continue to sound idiotic
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 8:29 pm
Posted by I20goon
about 7mi down a dirt road
Member since Aug 2013
13341 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:32 pm to
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Fianlly someone that understands what is important to a HS OL recruit and his father.
NFL HOF promising to teach his son how to make it to and in the NFL.
Cregg offers nothing...and that is basically what we get in recruiting compared to the top programs. Fix it or else.
I'm not going to argue this point. I agree with it. The "football celebrity", namely the idea of being recruited by a NFL HOF'er has an effect. There is no downside to that. Not to mention to a kid that is automatic credentials to the claim of being to get you to the NFL. Which in reality, based on the numbers, you can get to the NFL just as readily with a non-NFL player coach. Happens all the time. But a kid will see the NFL pedigree and not let facts get in the way. Which is half the battle in recruiting.

But the overall effect isn't that great. Not dispersed between 20 teams; I'm talking about the 20 teams who have a legit shot at the 2, maybe 4, 5* OTs every year.

We can use Leigh as an example. Robbie Caldwell is their OL coach. He never played in the NFL. He never even played Div-I football. He never coached in the NFL. He's from a state that doesn't have an NFL franchise. The only state he's ever coached in that didn't have an Atlantic coastline is TN (Vandebilt). He is a 60 something white, balding, fat OL coach. During his term at Clemson (9 years) he's had 3 OGs drafted (2 of those 3 last year) and 1 OT (that he didn't recruit) drafted.

So... will that NFL pedigree help? Certainly. Like I said, I see no downside... IF he can coach.

Will the NFL pedigree be the determining factor in recruiting? Nope. The numbers bear that out.

Caldwell checks ZERO of the boxes that most think determine what recruit A vs. recruit B are looking for.

The answer of the recruiting issues lies elsewhere.
Posted by hall59tiger
Member since Oct 2013
2533 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 8:41 pm to
I got destroyed on here for saying he might end up on the hot seat if he didn’t land a few of the recruits we were supposedly leading on. After losing 3-4 of those guys this year, it seems like his seat might be getting a little warm.
Posted by Dudebro2
San Diego
Member since Dec 2011
8967 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:10 pm to
quote:

You are a fricking clown. Saban is on his way to his SEVENTH national championship. He can get recruit from where ever the frick he wants. Until you realize that you will continue to sound idiotic


All you did was prove my point dumbass!!! Bama “which obviously includes their coach” can come to LA anytime and just about get who they want!
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9125 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:40 pm to
Exactly, I’d love Kevin Mawae coaching at LSU. He’s a great dude first of all, has the pedigree, has the skills, the connections, the name and the history with LSU. None of that means he will be a success story at LSU in terms of recruiting though. You would think with his stature that OL recruits would come pouring in but that just isn’t how it works for whatever reason.

You would also think that with Cregg’s history in the NFL, the successes he’s had as a coach of the OL and with his ability that we’d be landing those guys now, especially after last seasons results. He took a decent OL in 2018 and turned that into one of the best in 2019. The ones saying it was thanks to Burrow and Clyde weren’t paying attention. Those guys dominated 90% of their competition last year. Burrow had loads of time on many many occasions. Yes Burrow helped keep sack numbers down with his skill but they pushed people around last year and that was because of the hard work they put in and the confidence that they all played with.

Cregg deserves the credit for that job he did last year. The OL was 2 deep with average to above average players across the line. We had plenty of guys go down and we never missed a beat. Much of that was because we had a veteran center and Burrow but our OL was in the best shape that I’d ever seen our OL in. They could play forever it seemed. If that doesn’t land you at least 2-3 top 15 tackles then something is wrong and I can’t say it’s all on Cregg because I don’t know.

Cregg also deserves what’s coming at him right now because he should have been out there straight after the game showing up all over the country at the best OLman’s houses or picnics, BBQ’s, Aunties house, grandma’s house, showing up in a nice sports car with LSU memorabilia, spreading the love. Creating all types of hype/hope for LSU and his future OL. I’m sure he was out there recruiting but obviously not hard and not doing enough. That’s on him!!

So where do we go now? I think I may have to agree with everyone here. He made his bed and now it’s time to lay in it. If we do go another direction though, it needs to be a home run. I don’t think you’d have to throw out all kinds of crazy money to Kevin to come represent his alma mater. I think he’d love to if that was his choice and direction he wanted to go in. I doubt he’d go anywhere anytime soon either. He’s got connections all over media, TV, west coast, east coast, down south, the northern and the Midwest. Use those connections to get the best of the best to play at LSU. Let him put on some old tape of his OL experiences at LSU. Those lines were beastly! Let’s go for it!
Posted by BRtoATL
Bogota
Member since Aug 2009
232 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:52 pm to
Well specifically the O Line
This post was edited on 1/2/21 at 10:53 pm
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
9759 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 10:57 pm to
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You really want to go there AT7???

We aren’t supposed to lose any instate recruits that WE want to Bama and yes we did beat them for Smith and Ryan “who is a freaking legacy with his Uncle on staff” but did we beat Bama for Moses, Harris, D Smith and Bolden??? All major contributors to Bama’s success on the field this year and one of them is winning the Heisman this year also duhhhhhhh

Bama kicks our arse in recruiting, they are able to compete really well in Louisiana for top recruits! And that can’t be denied and shouldn’t happen!

Since 2018 (4 recruiting cycles), LSU has signed 21 top-10 Louisiana recruits and could get another in BTJ. Bama has signed 3. Of those 3, one has already transferred and another would be the #3 safety in our recruiting class if he came to LSU this year.

The reality is that two of the four guys you listed were recruited during the interim year and another was the #495 player in the country. Losing Christian Harris sucks, sure. On the other hand, LSU just signed the #4 RB in the country out of Alabama.

You win some, you lose some. Sure, Saban doesn’t lose as much as other coaches.. but he’s not invincible. This whole “Saban takes who he wants out of Louisiana!!” thing is 99% because of Dylan Moses and DeVonta Smith, which is silly considering that we fired our head coach in the middle of that recruiting cycle.
Posted by BayouBengal99
Crowley
Member since Oct 2007
9125 posts
Posted on 1/2/21 at 11:49 pm to
Agree on most points. Hell LSU didn’t even recruit C. Harris. I’m not sure if Aranda just wanted to go a different direction or if they LSU already knew that Harris wasn’t interested in staying home or what but if I recall correctly, he absolutely did like the Tigers and would have possibly committed had Aranda went hard after him. I also seem to remember that the talk was that they weren’t sure what position he would play and wanted a more pure position player or maybe had one already, can’t recall.

I watched him in the Dome though and he looked pretty darn comfortable playing FS or LB. He could have been of some value for us last year and this year. He was a pure athlete and his skills showed even on the big stage with other players that were just as good. I saw Roy in that same game and he also showed up and proved to me that he was a no doubt All SEC and possibly AA type player. They were both that good and neither seemed to be going all out for the success they were having. Looked almost effortless and those are the studs you want. When they can dominate without even trying or make it look easy or routine.

But yea since Ed O said enough of raiding Louisiana, it’s been pretty much a done deal to sign who we want out of the home state. We’ve also hit a real low on OL recruiting numbers in this state. There’s no reason we can’t slip on over to Texas or even the Midwest for some talent though. That’s were I’d hit hard first. I know those guys are home grown and love to stay close to home but man we have to change that.

We also can’t be afraid to hit the northern states and the Carolina/Virginia area for OL talent. It’s pretty simple imo, start dishing out more freakn cash in that one area of the roster period!!! Private jets to their house. Helicopter drops in their back yards. It’s time to get flashy and creative. Show them we need them and WANT them. Show them they’ll have the finest treatment while here and have the finest coaching to boot. Put a premium on those OLman! Gotta get it!
Posted by MT555
BR
Member since Feb 2009
1697 posts
Posted on 1/3/21 at 12:02 am to
You can't do much worse then Cregg.
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