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Realistic trade value and landing spots for Wentz, Stafford and others

Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:18 pm
Posted by RLDSC FAN
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:18 pm
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Let’s start with the storyline of the weekend: Carson Wentz’s displeasure with the series of events in Philadelphia. As many capologists in the national media have noted, this would be a truly unprecedented move by the Eagles. Wentz’ $33.8 million dead money cap charge with a trade (before March 19th) would be the largest single-year dead money charge in NFL history, topping Brandin Cooks’ record of $21.8 million by a wide margin. And this is the best case scenario for the Eagles in terms of total dead money for Wentz.

Jalen Hurts backed up a “solid” performance in his career debut against New Orleans (a huge win) with a stellar outing against the Arizona Cardinals (24/44, 338 passing yards, 3 TDs, 63 rushing yards, 1 TD). At a certain point, his play cannot be ignored. The Eagles are still decimated by injuries on offense, but Hurts is doing what franchise QBs are supposed to do: rise above it.

There isn’t a great trade comparison for Wentz, as we noted that this move is unprecedented. Philadelphia signed him to an early extension after his third season, and he hasn’t even played on a new year of the deal yet. This connection brings us to Jay Cutler.

Comparable trade: Denver Broncos QB Jay Cutler ? Chicago Bears for a 1st, 3rd, future 1st and QB Kyle Orton

With a good defense set to regain Von Miller, a solid offensive line anchored by recently extended LT Garett Bolles, and a receiving corps of Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Noah Fant and more, this team is set up to compete in 2021. That’s not happening with Drew Lock. Perhaps Elway and Vic Fangio take a shot with their backs against the wall.

Hypothetical Trade: Carson Wentz ? Denver Broncos for a 2nd, 5th and future 3rd


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Next, we’ll take a look at a few veteran quarterbacks with new head coaches and general managers on the way. This is not uncharted territory for Matthew Stafford, who will have his fifth head coach and third general manager in Detroit.

Stafford showed this week exactly why a trade may be unlikely, with his reputation as one of the toughest quarterbacks in the NFL on full display. Stafford has a very high floor at quarterback, and a new regime can sell themselves on the notion that Stafford has been limited by a disastrous organizational situation. They can be the ones to finally tap Stafford’s potential, and at 33 years old, there's plenty of football left.

Nevertheless, you never know if a new head coach and general manager would prefer a fresh start. Stafford has two years remaining on his contract, with a $20 million cap charge in 2021 and a $22.5 in 2022 for an acquiring team. These are very team-friendly terms for anyone looking to trade for Stafford.

Comparable trade: Kansas City Chiefs QB Alex Smith ? Washington Football Team for CB Kendall Fuller and a 3rd

Washington is no stranger to this type of move, because the team already did it with Alex Smith. Smith’s comeback has, of course, been nothing short of spectacular, but he’s not a legitimate answer at quarterback going forward if Washington wants to take the next step. Ron Rivera and this defense may win the lowly NFC East in their first season, which is great in terms of building a new culture in Washington. But it would put them out of reach for any of the top quarterback prospects. They may already be on the outside looking in.

A good 2021 draft class and a healthy Stafford could make Washington an immediate contender.

Hypothetical Trade: Matthew Stafford ? Washington Football Team for a 1st, future 3rd and Dwayne Haskins.



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Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:21 pm to
Wentz won’t be traded for atleast 1 year, likely 2. The money is just insane

If Hurts wins the job Eagles will just have to build their roster as if they had already paid Hurts that contract and not Wentz

Eagles could be the first team to hit on a rookie QB in the rookie wage scale era, and not enjoy any of the massive benefits that come with a cheap cap controlled young QB
Posted by theducks
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:29 pm to
No way Wentz has that much value. His contract is terrible and he’s regressed a lot.

Jay Cutler was at least an up and comer coming off of his first pro bowl season.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:29 pm to
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Realistic trade value and landing spots for Wentz, Stafford and others

About 4 years too late for the Lions.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115549 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:30 pm to
A 1st for Stafford seems pricey but I could definitely see him having a late career resurgence with a better run team

Overall this article seems a little too over the top on the compensation. None of these guys are going to fetch top draft capital. If their value was still that high they wouldn’t be getting traded
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 2:33 pm
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
44025 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:35 pm to
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Washington Football Team for a 1st, future 3rd and Dwayne Haskins.


that's too much for Washington to give up
Posted by tide06
Member since Oct 2011
20055 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 2:37 pm to
Stafford is a Super Bowl QB with the right team.

He’s never had a team to put him in that position from a talent standpoint.

Not arguing he’s Mahomes tier, but he’s a guy a team can win with if he doesn’t have to try to win by himself.
Posted by Uptowner
The OP
Member since Oct 2019
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:15 pm to
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Stafford is a Super Bowl QB with the right team.


I wouldn't cry if he were to be Brees replacement. I think Stafford and Sean Payton could work.
Posted by shel311
McKinney, Texas
Member since Aug 2004
112619 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:18 pm to
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Stafford is a Super Bowl QB with the right team.

The best synopsis I've seen on Stafford is he's not the problem, but he's also not the solution.

That wrapped it up perfectly.
Posted by castorinho
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:23 pm to
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Stafford is a Super Bowl QB with the right team
agreed. I think he's good enough to not just not be along for the ride ona SB winning team.
Posted by castorinho
13623 posts
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 12/21/20 at 3:24 pm to
As for Wentz. I think he's salvageable. But he won't get the chance until a couple more years on that contract, but that might be too late by then
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
43337 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 4:45 pm to
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Stafford is a Super Bowl QB with the right team.


QFT
Posted by diremustang
Member since Oct 2017
2287 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:05 pm to
Good qb draft class coming in. Plus the likelihood of minshew and Darnold being available
Posted by moneyg
Member since Jun 2006
61780 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:13 pm to
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Wentz won’t be traded for atleast 1 year, likely 2. The money is just insane



Disagree if they are set on Hurts. Hurt's contract make it possible and, assuming they can get a 1st or 2nd for Wentz, it would make sense to set up their team for 2022. Add as much young talent as possible between now and then, and then have money for a FA after the Wentz cap anchor is gone.

Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115549 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:18 pm to
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Disagree if they are set on Hurts. Hurt's contract make it possible and, assuming they can get a 1st or 2nd for Wentz, it would make sense to set up their team for 2022.


1.) they aren’t going to get that high of a value for a guy whose been one of the worst QBs in football this year and comes with a huge contract. It’s more likely that the Eagles would have to pay a premium to dump the contract like the Texans did with Osweiler than the other way around

2.) you can’t just “eat” a 60 million dollar cap hit next season. Especially during a projected depressed cap limit for next year due to covids impact on the revenue this year

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Add as much young talent as possible between now and then, and then have money for a FA after the Wentz cap anchor is gone.


They are already projected to be 50 million dollars over the cap even if you assume the cap stays flat. Adding another 25 million to that bill isn’t even possible unless you completely blow up the roster
This post was edited on 12/21/20 at 5:19 pm
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
92625 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:19 pm to
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With a good defense set to regain Von Miller, a solid offensive line anchored by recently extended LT Garett Bolles, and a receiving corps of Courtland Sutton, Jerry Jeudy, Noah Fant and more, this team is set up to compete in 2021. That’s not happening with Drew Lock. Perhaps Elway and Vic Fangio take a shot with their backs against the wall.

Hypothetical Trade: Carson Wentz ? Denver Broncos for a 2nd, 5th and future 3rd
frick 2020 and football. I can’t handle much more.
Posted by TTsTowel
RIP Bow9den/Coastie
Member since Feb 2010
92625 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:20 pm to
I don’t understand why they think Denver would go Carson Wentz here and not Matthew Stanford?

If you’re going to give up that much for either, trade up for Trevor Lawrence.
Posted by wildtigercat93
Member since Jul 2011
115549 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:23 pm to
You need to involve multiple teams in articles like this to ensure more clicks.
Posted by lsupride87
Member since Dec 2007
107977 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 5:28 pm to
Stafford on the Rams and they are an absolute monster these last few years
Posted by Buckeye Backer
Columbus, Ohio
Member since Aug 2009
9445 posts
Posted on 12/21/20 at 6:27 pm to
I’ll be curious to see what the Browns do with OBJ? It’s abundantly clear that Baker Mayfield is an infinitely better QB with OBJ off the field. The Browns should trade him to somebody that needs a #1 WR. Get a few picks for him..maybe a 2nd and 5th round pick type of trade?
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