re: Steven Adams extension

For the people who talk about spacing...you don’t need to score to space. Imagine trying to defend Zion one on one in the paint knowing Adams is right there lurking to get the rebound or the pass if you double. Zion first step helps create that problem. Also, these opponents are gonna get bruised trying to get through these guys screens lol. Zion could score with favors, so why can’t he score with Adams?

What was KD and Kyrie's camp going off of when they took less than the max to go to Brooklyn?

They wanted to be there and sacrificed to make the money work.

Could simply be Adams sacrificed a little to have 2 more years guaranteed because he really wants to come here.

100% guarantee, if Adams hits the open market next season he would have gotten 20-25 million per year.

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What is the Adams camp going off of when he takes a 40% paycut without even hitting the free market in a higher cap season?

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They probably looked at teams with cap space and projected free agents and said if things go right we might be able to get $20m per year. If the market dries up we may have to settle for $14-$15m. Let’s lock in right in the middle and not worry about it

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What is the Adams camp going off of when he takes a 40% paycut without even hitting the free market in a higher cap season?

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The market for centers is obviously worse now than it was in 2016, every deal signed that offseason, outside of some max contracts was inflated. But at the same time, that doesn't mean the market for a good starting center is going to be 9.7 mil next offseason. It's probably going to be somewhere in the middle of the two (which is where his new extension falls, basically right between what he was making on his current deal, and the MLE).

ETA: I think it's a bit of hedging on both sides, we're paying him probably a bit more than market value, but at the same time we're only locking in for 3 total years rather than 5 (this year plus re-signing in the offseason for 4 more). I would rather 3 years at 64 over 5 years at 89

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that doesn't mean the market for a good starting center is going to be 9.7 mil next offseason.

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I never said he would directly be in that range, just that those deals help set the market for the position, which obviously pulls down heavily on that $27mil figure he was making.

I don’t think we really disagree on anything or that I’m being unfair. I’m cool with it.

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I don’t think we really disagree on anything

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I just went back and read the dialogue and I agree

I don't think Adams was getting 20 mil on the open market, that 2016 season was an aberration due to a cap spike. Good starting centers are probably in the 13-17 mil range, and we paid the top end of that because of the reason listed in my previous post (3 years over 5 years).

Didn't expect an extension.

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Gobert & Bam both have 1%er traits.

The offense basically runs through Bam & eventually he’ll develop a stretch game.

Gobert is the best defensive big in the league.

You get paid for stuff like that. Not setting screens

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Would you rather have those guys at 30 million or Adams at 17.5 million?

Adams doesn’t just set screens. He also is a fantastic PNR player. Can pass for a big man. Excellent rebounder and a good perimeter defender. Has hustle and grit. Does the dirty work and helps keep your star players clean. Something we have been lacking last year. 15 million would have been excellent, but 17.5 is not bad at all. Jerami grant is getting paid 20 million a year and also let us not talk about Hortford.

I swear some of you guys think y’all are better than these professional organizations. Can we just wait until the season starts to see if he fits well with us? 3 years is not bad for us at all. Trust the process.

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but I don’t really understand what they are doing. They are acquiring all of these draft picks and swaps but then trade some of those assets for a center under a hefty contract. I

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You can’t have a bunch of rookies running around. You need veterans. NAW gives a lot of credit to JJ for helping him develop. You want to create a mixture of both like what Miami has done or what Atlanta is trying to do. The roster can only hold 15 players. Those assets you’re talking about was from MILWAUKEE not from Pelicans. What do you expect those picks turn into? They were a late first and 2 second rounders. Teams can actually buy those picks from other teams. It’s not like they were lotto picks.

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Would you rather have those guys at 30 million or Adams at 17.5 million?

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Bam for sure

Gobert prob not. Not really on the Pels timeline

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but 17.5 is not bad at all

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I never said it was. Find whatever it was I said that you have beef with but don’t make shite up

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Jerami grant is getting paid 20 million a year and also let us not talk about Hortford.

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Grant isn’t a center dude

If Horford was a FA this year he’s getting about what Adams just got

Adams is making $27mil this year. Like we are saying the market has changed from when horford & Adams signed