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Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:12 am to BottomlandBrew
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we have portions of the population incapable of making that happen.
Ah, the old your-too-stupid-too-make-decisions-in-your-own-best-interests ploy. Thank God our omnipotent overlords are so benevolent.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:14 am to Aubie Spr96
quote:you're*
your-too-stupid-too-make-decisions-in-your-own-best-interests
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:16 am to Roscoe
I realize this thread is now about masks...again
but there have been confirmed studies that show that respiratory viruses will compete and block other viruses
LINK
but there have been confirmed studies that show that respiratory viruses will compete and block other viruses
LINK
quote:
These findings show that one respiratory virus can block infection with another through stimulation of antiviral defences in the airway mucosa, supporting the idea that interference from rhinovirus disrupted the 2009 IAV pandemic in Europe. These results indicate that viral interference can potentially affect the course of an epidemic, and this possibility should be considered when designing interventions for seasonal influenza epidemics and the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:20 am to Salmon
Is it too much to conclude or at least assume that the 97% decrease is caused by a number of factors? 
1) Social distancing measaures
2) Lack of testing
3) Competing viruses
4) Assumptions that it's covid
5) Masks don't work en mass outside of a lab
1) Social distancing measaures
2) Lack of testing
3) Competing viruses
4) Assumptions that it's covid
5) Masks don't work en mass outside of a lab
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:22 am to ell_13
like always, I assume its many variables
I was just pointing out that we do have studies that show that viruses can and will compete with each other
although if you read that Twitter thread, it isn't lack of testing, as flu testing is actually up this year
I was just pointing out that we do have studies that show that viruses can and will compete with each other
although if you read that Twitter thread, it isn't lack of testing, as flu testing is actually up this year
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 8:23 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:23 am to Salmon
That should explain the 2000:1 ratio of Covid to flu cases so far this season.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:25 am to GRTiger
like ell said, I'm sure its multiple factors
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:29 am to Salmon
I'd be pretty comfortable assuming that particular variable is negligible relative to the others, specifically the massive variance in testing between the two, not to mention the variance in sensitivity between the tests used for each.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:33 am to Roscoe
quote:
CoVids Impact on Flu
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:33 am to GRTiger
I think what this pandemic has shown is that there's been very little done in regards to studying the flu. When I wanted to use the flu as a comparison, I dove into how we would count cases/deaths of the flu. It's so dependent on flimsy estimates based on flimsy data that any comparison just wasn't truly fair because the microscope on covid just doesn't exist for anything else. It's not even close.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:33 am to GRTiger
quote:
I'd be pretty comfortable assuming that particular variable is negligible relative to the others, specifically the massive variance in testing between the two, not to mention the variance in sensitivity between the tests used for each.
I honestly don't understand what you mean by this
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:39 am to Salmon
I dont think people realize just how differently "medical experts" and healthcare have treated flu testing/flu deaths compared to covid testing/deaths
If the sensitivty of the flu test was that of covid, and every single person in a hospital had to take this more sensitive test on admission, and all those positive counted as a flu death no matter what if they passed, the numbers would be VASTLY different
If the sensitivty of the flu test was that of covid, and every single person in a hospital had to take this more sensitive test on admission, and all those positive counted as a flu death no matter what if they passed, the numbers would be VASTLY different
quote:
The diagnostic accuracy of influenza swabs is often overestimated by clinicians. The CDC notes that rapid influenza testing has a sensitivity ranging from approximately 50% to 70% — meaning that in up to half of influenza cases, the flu swab results will still be negative.
This post was edited on 10/20/20 at 8:40 am
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:39 am to BugAC
quote:Yeah, do you think it's not?quote:Shouldn't it then, per the CDC, also have the same impact on Covid?
I would think that all of the precautions and social distancing going on right now for covid is having a massive positive impact on the spread of the flu.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:40 am to Roscoe
quote:
Are flu cases being counted as CV?
Yes.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:42 am to BugAC
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Shouldn't it then, per the CDC, also have the same impact on Covid? If you believe the fear mongering of the CDC, Covid is still spreading like hotcakes for at least 3 more weeks. So does that mean that masks and social distancing are bullshite? CDC said 85% of Covid cases wore masks and social distanced.
The flu is not as contagious as COVID.
Whether you agree on the lethality of COVID or the restrictions, that is just a scientific fact.
So it would make sense masks, social distancing, hand washing, etc. would work a lot better on the flu than COVID.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:43 am to lsupride87
quote:I certainly didn't until I started doing some research like what you found. The raw data is so bad that they have to use hospital loads, vaccines dispersed, deaths via other causes like pneumonia, etc. to "estimate" the flu cases/deaths. And that only comes out a few years later.
I dont think people realize just how differently "medical experts" and healthcare have treated flu testing/flu deaths compared to covid testing/deaths
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:47 am to CatfishJohn
quote:I disagree.
The flu is not as contagious as COVID.
One thing we do know is that the covid test is roughly 5 times more sensitive than the flu test, so that certainly makes it seem more contagious.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:48 am to Roscoe
quote:
flu cases are down 97% worldwide since CoVid came on the scene
So mask and social distancing do have an impact on viruses. Who could have thought.
Posted on 10/20/20 at 8:48 am to SlidellCajun
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People complain that masks don’t prevent covid but they sure do prevent the flu and colds. I will wear mine during cold and flu season every year now.
I think it’s cool
I bet that your voting for Biden and Heels up Harris aren't you.
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