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re: The H1-B visa ban is dumb.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:07 pm to Turbeauxdog
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:07 pm to Turbeauxdog
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You admitted it was an entry position you had 5-6 qualified new college grads.
Why should a company be forced to pay them more than market value?
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:11 pm to LSU316
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Why should a company be forced to pay them more than market value?
So you admit it was based on price and not specialized skill.
Thanks lying fraud.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:17 pm to Turbeauxdog
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So you admit it was based on price and not specialized skill.
You people are broken records.....last I checked .NET development is a specialized skill.
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Thanks lying fraud.
No problem blithering idiot.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:19 pm to LSU316
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Why should a company be forced to pay them more than market value?
The market value is what the U.S. candidates were willing to work for.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:19 pm to LSU316
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You people are broken records.....last I checked .NET development is a specialized skill.
Right. And you've already admitted that you have had several Americans apply for the same job. Therefore, you refuse to hire them because you can get the foreign labor cheaper.
When that foreigner wants more money, you'll make his life miserable to the point where he wants to quit and then you'll go hire more cheap foreign labor. That is how people like you keep American wages lower.
You're just upset because now you might actually have to open your purse a bit more and actually pay an American the money they want.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:21 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:21 pm to Colonel Flagg
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The market value is what the U.S. candidates were willing to work for.
Why?
Have you read about sponsoring a H1-B visa it is a legal immigration status as defined by the USCIS.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:22 pm to LSU316
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Why?
That is how supply and demand works.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:23 pm to LSU316
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Why? Have you read about sponsoring a H1-B visa it is a legal immigration status as defined by the USCIS.
You have to attest that US workers are not available at the “prevailing wage”...they were, you wanted to pay less. It’s not uncommon, doing this keeps you competitive, because everyone else is doing it. That’s why Trump is acting here.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:23 pm to VADawg
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Therefore, you refuse to hire them because you can get the foreign labor cheaper.
No I refused to hire them because they would not work for the salary range of the job they applied for.
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When that foreigner wants more money, you'll make his life miserable to the point where he wants to quit and then you'll go hire more cheap foreign labor. That is how people like you keep American wages lower.
Absolutely incorrect.....we invested in and promoted H1-B workers frequently.
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You're just upset because now you might actually have to open your purse a bit more and actually pay an American the money they want.
Nope you know what we'll do now....is load up the senior developers more and give them a pay raise. And part of their new projects will be automating entry level work.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:25 pm to Dawgfanman
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You have to attest that US workers are not available at the “prevailing wage”...they were,
They were not...the prevailing wage (which we obtained by looking at current employees in that postion, mostly Americans btw, current salaries) was 60K-65K and none of the American applicants would work for that.....Only one would work for 75K/year....most were from 85-95K.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:26 pm to LSU316
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You must be paid at least the actual or prevailing wage for your occupation, whichever is higher.
This is a requirement. You had a number of qualified candidates that indicated the prevailing wage was higher than what you wanted to pay.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:27 pm to LSU316
It must suck for you that you actually have to do something make your country a better place. What a shame.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:27 pm to Colonel Flagg
Candidates do not determine the prevailing wage.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:27 pm to LSU316
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They were not...the prevailing wage (which we obtained by looking at current employees in that postion, mostly Americans btw, current salaries) was 60K-65K and none of the American applicants would work for that.....Only one would work for 75K/year....most were from 85-95K.
So you are anchoring wages by using an immigrant to set the wage?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:29 pm to Colonel Flagg
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So you are anchoring wages by using an immigrant to set the wage?
That's what he's doing and that's what a lot of bigger corporations do too. They're a little upset today because they might actually have to pay a few more dollars to make their country a better place.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:29 pm to Colonel Flagg
Did you miss where I said most of the current employees were American?
Also that figure matched the salary range as set forth by our HR department via a market analysis.
Also that figure matched the salary range as set forth by our HR department via a market analysis.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:29 pm to LSU316
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Candidates do not determine the prevailing wage.
Sure they do. Without the H1B option, what would you have done?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:29 pm to LSU316
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Candidates do not determine the prevailing wage.
How are wages set in society?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:30 pm to LSU316
I am more curious how this impacts J visas and what it does to the academic job market.
Think what this means to all of the international doctoral students that come here and now can no longer get the J visa to take an academic position. Getting the terminal degree in your field was always an “easy” way to be allowed to stay in the US by then going into academia.
If we freeze or at least limit J visas, it will eventually help the US citizen students to move into the ranks of faculty. Anyone ever wonder why we have so few US born professors at your schools? The J visas and OPT means schools can offer lower faculty salaries to get fresh PhD grads because they want the J visas...
Same issue here as with the H1Bs... Will be real interested to see how that shakes out
Think what this means to all of the international doctoral students that come here and now can no longer get the J visa to take an academic position. Getting the terminal degree in your field was always an “easy” way to be allowed to stay in the US by then going into academia.
If we freeze or at least limit J visas, it will eventually help the US citizen students to move into the ranks of faculty. Anyone ever wonder why we have so few US born professors at your schools? The J visas and OPT means schools can offer lower faculty salaries to get fresh PhD grads because they want the J visas...
Same issue here as with the H1Bs... Will be real interested to see how that shakes out
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:32 pm to LSU316
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Did you miss where I said most of the current employees were American?
Also that figure matched the salary range as set forth by our HR department via a market analysis.
Americans who were previously screwed by this game.
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