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re: The H1-B visa ban is dumb.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:55 pm to agregime1
Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:55 pm to agregime1
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where there is a current huge shortage in workers.
There's a reason maybe?
Let's kick out smart productive people and let Americans who are not qualified to do their jobs do their jobs. Genius. #learntocode
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 12:56 pm to FieldEngineer
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This is a common example of a symptom of the larger problem. Your ability to sponsor that H1B allowed you to hire at an artificially low price. The only reason your company thought 60-65k was reasonable is because of the access to those people without a normal American standard of living.
That's gonna leave a mark.
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Americans are being forced to compete against people with lower standards and costs of living. These immigrants are eventually going to become used to the higher quality of life that the US can provide, then they will also demand a higher salary and be replaced with a new immigrant. Where does it end?
It's a self destructive cycle and the only way to stop it is for our leaders in public office to tell the corporations a big fat resounding NO.
We need leaders in public office that are capable of and willing to look at the big picture decades into the future and understand for long term stability and to stabilize the labor market, someone needs to tell these corporations a big fat NO.
If we allow more flooding of foreign workers, we will create lost generations of American workers with no hope whatsoever.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:00 pm to LSU316
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Amrican demands 150000 to do the job.
H1-B worker commands 80000 to do the job.
Both workers have similar credentials and experience and both interview well enough for the position.
I've been in IT my entire adult life. In my observation, the degree programs in India are more specific and applied while in the US they are more broad and theoretical. Indian kids come out of school knowing more current, marketable tools and skills. Kind of like a very high end trade school. Great for entry to mid level, but maybe not as good further down the path.
Might be anecdotal evidence, but it is what I see.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:14 pm to FieldEngineer
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The only reason your company thought 60-65k was reasonable is because of the access to those people without a normal American standard of living.
Paying an entry level .NET developer in Baton Rouge, LA north of 65K is insanity.
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These immigrants are eventually going to become used to the higher quality of life that the US can provide, then they will also demand a higher salary and be replaced with a new immigrant. Where does it end?
Yes at that point you promote the current employee and hire a new entry level.....that is the way of business.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:15 pm to TigerCoon
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Indian kids come out of school knowing more current, marketable tools and skills. Kind of like a very high end trade school. Great for entry to mid level, but maybe not as good further down the path.
Might be anecdotal evidence, but it is what I see.
I don't disagree with this.
You have to invest time and money into the H1-B employee if you want them to move up the chain.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:17 pm to LSU316
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Paying an entry level .NET developer in Baton Rouge, LA north of 65K is insanity.
But you didn't pay anyone that. Why are you griping?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:19 pm to Mo Jeaux
I'm saying in general.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:21 pm to LSU316
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I'm saying in general.
Seems to me as if a free market could determine whether it was too much. Instead you have some businesses that can't otherwise compete whining to the government to get them some cheap labor.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:25 pm to LSU316
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Not at the price.
That’s not the law.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:27 pm to LSU316
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Paying an entry level .NET developer in Baton Rouge, LA north of 65K is insanity.
What’s the market? Did you offer them a market price ? Or straight to lying for a visa?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:28 pm to LSU316
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Case in point about 5 years ago I was hiring an entry level developer at a company in BR. I had 5-6 applicants just graduating from LSU, SU, and SLU. Their salary requirements were anywhere from 75K to 90K (insanity on the high end). My company was comfortable paying in the 60-65K range which I though was fair for a developer that has never put anything into a production environment that made money in their lives. I got 1 application from a H1-B guy that needed a sponsorship which we really didn't want to get into but I interviewed the guy anyway. He had 5 yrs experience was by far the more advanced developer than any other person I interviewed and his salary requirements were 60K-70K....we hired him and sponsored his visa.
That you could post this and not realize the outright hypocrisy of your position is mind-blowing. Did you even make an offer to one of the entry-level American workers at $60k? I suspect not.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:29 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Seems to me as if a free market could determine whether it was too much.
It did and it does.
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Instead you have some businesses that can't otherwise compete whining to the government to get them some cheap labor.
If you want to debate the number of H1-B visas available that is a debatable point....however the usefulness of H1-B to the free market system and to businesses in general is not debatable.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:30 pm to Snazzmeister
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Did you even make an offer to one of the entry-level American workers at $60k?
If you minimum salary requirement is 75K why would I offer you 60K?
It wastes my time and your time.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:30 pm to LSU316
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It did
Nope
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:31 pm to LSU316
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If you minimum salary requirement is 75K why would I offer you 60K?
It wastes my time and your time.
Nah you just used that to justify your dishonesty.
It’s either the market or it isn’t. If it is, they’ll take the job or not work, if it isn’t you just lied to save a few grand for your company and depress us wages.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:32 pm to TigerCoon
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Sorry, Hadji. You gotta go back.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:34 pm to Turbeauxdog
Sure it did...the legal H1-B worker is a part of the free job market as much as John Smith from central Idaho.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:35 pm to Turbeauxdog
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Nah you just used that to justify your dishonesty.
bullshite....as an employer if you, as an employee, don't know the salary range for the position it's not my place to educate you. Do your homework.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:37 pm to LSU316
Was this the first time you’ve ever hired someone? I fill 2-3 new hire positions a year and interview as many in a month. American universities train kids to start at a higher salary than they expect to get. First, as you already pointed out, they have no experience and no realistic expectations of what an entry level job pays. They’re looking to negotiate.
I suppose you get credit for taking the easier route though.
I suppose you get credit for taking the easier route though.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 1:37 pm to LSU316
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It did and it does.
Sure. quote:
If you want to debate the number of H1-B visas available that is a debatable point....however the usefulness of H1-B to the free market system and to businesses in general is not debatable.
Centrally planned economies are useful for the free market in general. That is not debatable. - Signed, person who worked for a business that could not compete without direct government intervention in the labor system. You're a hoot.
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