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re: The H1-B visa ban is dumb.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:00 pm to LSU316
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:00 pm to LSU316
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No I refused to hire them because they would not work for the salary range of the job they applied for.
How do you know this? You admitted you never made them an offer at what you felt was the prevailing wage. That your company would immediately jump to sponsoring an H1B versus acting in good faith to hire Americans is at the heart of the controversy with H1B visas.
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:02 pm to Snazzmeister
We never offered anyone a job at less than what their minimum salary requirement was.
ETA
Now this is probably a debatable point....I could see why you would say this. But I'll say that like I said our companies position was that it was counterproductive to the candidate and the manager to offer a salary lower than what that candidate wanted as a minimum. This is a rule that I could see added to the H1-B rules.
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sponsoring an H1B versus acting in good faith to hire Americans is at the heart of the controversy with H1B visas.
Now this is probably a debatable point....I could see why you would say this. But I'll say that like I said our companies position was that it was counterproductive to the candidate and the manager to offer a salary lower than what that candidate wanted as a minimum. This is a rule that I could see added to the H1-B rules.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 3:05 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:02 pm to LSU316
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It's fairly clear that you don't know how the market works today.
We know how it works. Companies like the one that you worked for can’t compete in the labor market without the government directly interfering to suppress wages.
We’re saying we think that suppression is wrong. You’re siding with BigTech speaks volumes about you.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:02 pm to LSU316
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Never happened.
Your own words
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:04 pm to LSU316
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We never offered anyone a job at less than what their minimum salary requirement was.
Then why are you so offended at them asking for more? You’re really butthurt about it. If they can’t get a job, they’ll lower their expectations.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:05 pm to Turbeauxdog
Nope.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:05 pm to LSU316
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That is correct...but they aren't employed yet (stay with me). The people that are currently employed in that position (at companies across the area) are working it on average in the 60K-65K range....that's the market salary range.
So if industry expands and companies are competing for qualified talent then it is ok to undermine that by bringing in cheap labor from overseas?
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:06 pm to Mo Jeaux
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Then why are you so offended at them asking for more?
I'm not....I'm offended that so many small development shops get shite on for hiring H1-B workers.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:07 pm to LSU316
So what are we to believe? That your company actually thinks a 21 year old kid, with no work experience, has realistic expectations for minimum salary requirements? Or that the hiring managers know they have access to labor at artificially suppressed rates?
Since you've already attested to using H1B's "quite frequently", my gut tells me it's the latter.
Since you've already attested to using H1B's "quite frequently", my gut tells me it's the latter.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:08 pm to Colonel Flagg
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So if industry expands and companies are competing for qualified talent then it is ok to undermine that by bringing in cheap labor from overseas?
Again if you want to change it so bad I'd say present a solution and we'll talk about it.
BUT I'd say be careful what you ask for....you may not like the alternative to H1-B workers. I can tell you right now that solution won't be "hire any Bob, Dick, or Harry at whatever wage they want!".
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:08 pm to LSU316
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I'm not....I'm offended that so many small development shops get shite on for hiring H1-B workers.
Well, they’re big boys and girls. If you can’t compete without undermining American workers, I have no sympathy for you.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:09 pm to LSU316
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I'm not....I'm offended that so many small development shops get shite on for hiring H1-B workers.
Now if your stance is the government needs to be involved for antitrust reasons that is a little more of an interesting discussion.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:09 pm to LSU316
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BUT I'd say be careful what you ask for....you may not like the alternative to H1-B workers. I can tell you right now that solution won't be "hire any Bob, Dick, or Harry at whatever wage they want!".
No shite.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:11 pm to LSU316
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BUT I'd say be careful what you ask for....you may not like the alternative to H1-B workers. I can tell you right now that solution won't be "hire any Bob, Dick, or Harry at whatever wage they want!".
In general I think it is a stupid business decision to not innovate which I guess is what you are saying. If you can substantially lower your labor cost long term in your market then you should do it anyways. I will not be offended.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:11 pm to Snazzmeister
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That your company actually thinks a 21 year old kid, with no work experience, has realistic expectations for minimum salary requirements?
They should absolutely educate themselves....the salary guides for many industries are widely available for free.
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Or that the hiring managers know they have access to labor at artificially suppressed rates?
Again if you think the system is "artificially" suppressing the rates let's talk about how to fix it....not just complain about it. Hell I'd probably get a raise myself.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:18 pm to LSU316
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I'm not....I'm offended that so many small development shops get shite on for hiring H1-B workers.
Maybe they should open their company in a cheaper labor market.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:18 pm to Mo Jeaux
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No shite.
Trust me it won't satisfy you and those like you.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:19 pm to FieldEngineer
Cheaper than Baton Rouge, LA 
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:20 pm to LSU316
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Cheaper than Baton Rouge, LA
Yes. I hear parts of India are nice.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 3:21 pm to LSU316
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Again if you think the system is "artificially" suppressing the rates let's talk about how to fix it....not just complain about it. Hell I'd probably get a raise myself.
Nah, they could just find an H1B to do it for less..
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