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Families Challenge Suicide in Deaths of Black Men Found Hanging From Trees

Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:24 am
Posted by TechDawg2007
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:24 am
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The families of two black men who were found hanged from trees in Southern California are asking authorities to further investigate their deaths.

The family of Robert L. Fuller, 24, disputed authorities’ initial pronouncement that he died by suicide. The family of Malcolm Harsch, 38, is worried his death will also be ruled a suicide.

Harsch was found at 7 a.m. on May 31 near a homeless encampment in Victorville, California, where bystanders told authorities he was living. There were no indications of foul play but the investigation was continuing, according to a spokeswoman for the San Bernardino County Sheriff-Coroner’s Department.

The Victorville Fire Department found bystanders performing CPR on Harsch when it arrived at the scene, according to Sue Jones, the public information officer of the city of Victorville. Firefighters took over and tried to restore Harsch’s heartbeat, but they stopped after 20 minutes.

“We grieve for Malcolm’s family and extend our deepest condolences,” Jones said. “Malcolm Harsch’s life mattered.”

Harsch’s relatives were told by the coroner’s office that his autopsy was completed, said Harmonie Harsch, Malcolm Harsch’s sister, but they were not informed of the cause of death.

“We are really just trying to get more answers as to what happened,” Harmonie Harsch, 29, said in an interview Sunday. “My brother was so loving, not only to his family but even strangers. It is not like him.”

Malcolm Harsch moved to California 14 years ago from Ohio, Harmonie Harsch said.

“He loved doing tattoos, he was very artistic,” she added.

Harmonie Harsch said she was conducting her own investigation into her brother’s death.

“It has been stressful,” she said. “It doesn’t sound right.”

Around 50 miles west of Victorville, in Palmdale, California, Fuller’s family questioned authorities’ pronouncement that his death was considered a suicide.

At a rally for Fuller on Saturday, Diamond Alexander, his sister, said through tears that the initial resolution on her brother’s death “did not make sense.”

“Everything that they’ve been telling us has not been right,” she said, according to video of the rally in Palmdale. “We’ve been hearing one thing. Then we hear another. And we just want to know the truth.”

A passerby discovered Fuller’s body hanging from a tree in Poncitlán Square, across from Palmdale City Hall, at around 3:39 a.m. on Wednesday, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

Though the investigation was continuing, authorities noted in their news release that “Mr. Fuller, tragically, committed suicide.” Fuller’s autopsy has not been completed, authorities said.

“My brother was not suicidal,” Alexander said. “He wasn’t.”

The men’s deaths have struck a chord with people in northern Los Angeles County and across the nation as many have protested against racism and police brutality for over two weeks, in response to the killing of George Floyd in Minneapolis.

A petition demanding for a full investigation into Fuller’s death had over 215,000 signatures as of Sunday afternoon.

At a news conference held by officials at Palmdale City Hall on Friday, residents made it clear that they did not trust that local authorities would properly investigate Fuller’s death. They demanded an independent review and transparency.

“Why was it right here in public, in front of City Hall, next to a church, in front of a library?” one woman said. “Why was it like that? Who would do that? No black man would hang himself in public like that.”
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 8:25 am
Posted by windshieldman
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:26 am to
Sad these black men have to live around these racist white liberals.

If you're a white liberal maybe try getting together with the NAACP, BLM, and Trump voters and learn to understand that just b/c someone is black, doesn't make them a bad person.
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Posted by upgrayedd
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:28 am to
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At a rally for Fuller on Saturday, Diamond Alexander, his sister, said through tears that the initial resolution on her brother’s death “did not make sense.”

A rally for a suicide, huh?
Posted by Bluefin
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:29 am to
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northern Los Angeles County

Literal Confederate stronghold.
Posted by OysterPoBoy
City of St. George
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:29 am to
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right here in public, in front of City Hall, next to a church, in front of a library


If it’s in front of all those places you’d think there would be a camera.
Posted by Apollyon
Member since Dec 2019
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:31 am to
Families looking to "get rich quick", they just want someone to sue
Posted by Privateer 2007
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:35 am to
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looking to get rich quick.... looking for someone to sue


Or that GoFundMe jackpot as well!
Posted by chryso
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:40 am to
If they are all so close then why was he living in a homeless camp?
Posted by Doctor D
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:46 am to
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If they are all so close then why was he living in a homeless camp?


That, detective, is the right question.
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Posted by QJenk
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Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:55 am to
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“My brother was not suicidal,” 


I don't pretend to know the facts of these cases so I won't do too much speculation. But usually majority of the time someone commits suicide, the family is almost always caught off guard. People who deal with suicidal thoughts tend to do a great job at hiding it many times.
Posted by TheCaterpillar
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 8:57 am to
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I don't pretend to know the facts of these cases so I won't do too much speculation. But usually majority of the time someone commits suicide, the family is almost always caught off guard. People who deal with suicidal thoughts tend to do a great job at hiding it many times.



Corret.

Vast majority of the time the family doesn't realize the person is suicidal.
Posted by Blizzard of Chizz
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:04 am to
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Corret.

Vast majority of the time the family doesn't realize the person is suicidal.



Yep, that’s why you always hear friends and family in these situations say if they had only known they would have reached out to help.
Posted by SouthEndzoneTiger
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 9:08 am to
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“Why was it right here in public, in front of City Hall, next to a church, in front of a library?” one woman said. “Why was it like that? Who would do that? No black man would hang himself in public like that.”


I'm not saying this to make light of the situation, but if he was homeless how could it not be in public? Obviously he could have found a more secluded area, I get that. But maybe the location was symbolic for him. Maybe in front of city hall and a church was his way of saying these are people who let him down in life. The church could actually mean he feels God even let him down. I'm speculating obviously, but just trying to add some other thoughts to the situation.
Posted by blueboy
Member since Apr 2006
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:00 am to
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At a rally for Fuller on Saturday, Diamond Alexander, his sister, said through tears that the initial resolution on her brother’s death “did not make sense.”

A rally for a suicide, huh?
Yeah, they're just going to call it racism and no one will question it, just like with Floyd. All black deaths are racism now, from cop killings to guys having heart attacks while taking a shite. All will have their own marches.
Posted by Aristo
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:26 am to
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If they are all so close then why was he living in a homeless camp?


Good question. Let's check to see if the family was paying life insurance on him.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:37 am to
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Families Challenge Suicide in Deaths of Black Men Found Hanging From Trees


It’s always someone else’s fault isn’t it?
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 10:57 am to
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I don't pretend to know the facts of these cases so I won't do too much speculation. But usually majority of the time someone commits suicide, the family is almost always caught off guard. People who deal with suicidal thoughts tend to do a great job at hiding it many times.

My Pops used to say, "You never know what devils a person is fighting."
I feel for the families, whether both are suicides or not. Denial is a part of the grief process for a reason. It seems to be amplified when it is a probable suicide.
I hope they are able to accept the ME's findings and find peace with it.
Posted by Funky Tide 8
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:02 am to
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I'm not saying this to make light of the situation, but if he was homeless how could it not be in public? Obviously he could have found a more secluded area, I get that
I don't think it's as uncommon as people think for someone to do that out in the open in a public sphere, sadly. Tragic.
This post was edited on 6/15/20 at 11:02 am
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:05 am to
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If they are all so close then why was he living in a homeless camp?


Posted by biglego
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Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 6/15/20 at 11:25 am to
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hope they are able to accept the ME's findings and find peace with it.


Yeah, no. Even in California everything is racism.
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