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re: How Is It That Joker Has A 68% RT Critics Rating?
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:45 pm to LuckyTiger
Posted on 5/23/20 at 7:45 pm to LuckyTiger
I finally got around to watching this and I wasn't entertained at all. I guess it just wasn't my kind of movie.
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Posted on 5/23/20 at 10:32 pm to LuckyTiger
It's a super depressing movie I loved it by the end but I can see it's not for everyone
The ending really made it for me. The Murray show and then on top of the cop car just freed he makes the bloody smile. Fantastic.
Kudos to Todd Phillips tho man was famous for his comedy movies. Never knew he had anything like that in him
The ending really made it for me. The Murray show and then on top of the cop car just freed he makes the bloody smile. Fantastic.
Kudos to Todd Phillips tho man was famous for his comedy movies. Never knew he had anything like that in him
This post was edited on 5/23/20 at 10:41 pm
Posted on 5/25/20 at 12:56 am to LuckyTiger
I have only just watched Taxi Driver tonight and King of Comedy within the last year.
I feel like Joker took the best of both movies and smashed them together with a dash of Batman lore to make arguably a more compelling and focused movie. That’s probably an unpopular opinion and I definitely think King of Comedy and Taxi Driver did many things better
I feel like Joker took the best of both movies and smashed them together with a dash of Batman lore to make arguably a more compelling and focused movie. That’s probably an unpopular opinion and I definitely think King of Comedy and Taxi Driver did many things better
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:12 am to MrTide33
Yeah, I finally watched Joker last night.
Felt like I was watching a comic book Taxi Driver mixed in with a totally lifted real life Bernhard Goetz Subway scene but this time the muggers are Wall St. guys.
But then you add comic book elements like that laughing and it detracts from the supposed seriousness.
Either make a comic book movie or another Taxi Driver but don't try to pigeon-hole one into the other. It doesn't work.
I agree with people who say it just sprinkles some Batman lore to make it a Batman movie when it's just about a weirdo who feels unloved.
Felt like I was watching a comic book Taxi Driver mixed in with a totally lifted real life Bernhard Goetz Subway scene but this time the muggers are Wall St. guys.
But then you add comic book elements like that laughing and it detracts from the supposed seriousness.
Either make a comic book movie or another Taxi Driver but don't try to pigeon-hole one into the other. It doesn't work.
I agree with people who say it just sprinkles some Batman lore to make it a Batman movie when it's just about a weirdo who feels unloved.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 1:14 am
Posted on 5/25/20 at 1:17 am to Peter167
I liked Joker as a stand a lone movie. I thought in the arc of traditional Batman, it wouldn’t hold up.
Phoenix version comes across as just a psychotic idiot. Not some engine of anarchy and madness. He isn’t devising any schemes besides shooting random people.
Phoenix version comes across as just a psychotic idiot. Not some engine of anarchy and madness. He isn’t devising any schemes besides shooting random people.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:10 am to LuckyTiger
Phoenix tried too hard IMO. The Deniro scene was forced as well.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:31 am to DiamondDog
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Phoenix version comes across as just a psychotic idiot. Not some engine of anarchy and madness. He isn’t devising any schemes besides shooting random people.
It's set up as an origin story but is really just about a man with a lot of mental problems that sprinkles on Batman lore.
Compare Batman Begins.
I honestly don't know what they were going for but it tries to straddle two worlds and it just didn't work for me. They made the Joker a more pathetic Travis Bickle.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:54 am to mizzoubuckeyeiowa
It was a heavy handed approach that never achieved anything. Lot's of affectation, but no story.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 3:16 pm to TheeRealCarolina
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The mental health treatment in our country is pathetic
I absolutely agree and none of the SJW movie “critics” even gave the Joker character credit for trying his arse off to get proper mental health treatment. The dude desperately wanted to get better. He took his prescribed meds, met with his social worker, tried to be a productive member of society. I never heard any of haters give him credit for any of that. I just watched the movie for the first time last week on HBO.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 5:06 pm to moester75
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absolutely agree and none of the SJW movie “critics” even gave the Joker character credit for trying his arse off to get proper mental health treatment. The dude desperately wanted to get better. He took his prescribed meds, met with his social worker, tried to be a productive member of society. I never heard any of haters give him credit for any of that.
Critocs don't usually "give credit" to scenes that feature a rote character and standard stereotypical depression/angst/issue met with dismissive response. If they had either made the interaction feel like more than basic exposition, or had fleck or the social worker say or do anything interesting in the sessions, (some) critics might have cared.
"All the haters." there just aren't that many haters. Very few totally negative reviews. Most of the negative reviews from legit publications are C+ or 2/4 or 2.5/5. Of the 11 actually negative reviews on Metacritic, most say there isn't much more than a predictable story around good performance. I don't understand why were still talking about this movie being hated when the majority of critics and audiences thought it was fine.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 5:32 pm to Jay Are
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I don't understand why were still talking about this movie being hated when the majority of critics and audiences thought it was fine.
Because there’s a right wing agenda to keep a certain segment of the population perpetually angry and afraid.
Posted on 5/25/20 at 6:57 pm to Jay Are
The problem I had apart from the aforementioned complaints is that they basically made Joker retarded.
I mean they make him childlike and this is the guy that's going to take on the Wayne Empire?
He's considered a fool among fools even with his clown co-workers.
It's not just mental illness, he's never portrayed as smart...just a mentally ill person with mild retardation. I think the movie fricked up. Showing that he was mentally ill was fine but they had to sprinkle in something to show he was super-smart beyond some laughing Tourette's guy with retardation and a gun vigillante.
I mean they make him childlike and this is the guy that's going to take on the Wayne Empire?
He's considered a fool among fools even with his clown co-workers.
It's not just mental illness, he's never portrayed as smart...just a mentally ill person with mild retardation. I think the movie fricked up. Showing that he was mentally ill was fine but they had to sprinkle in something to show he was super-smart beyond some laughing Tourette's guy with retardation and a gun vigillante.
This post was edited on 5/25/20 at 6:59 pm
Posted on 5/26/20 at 12:58 am to Jay Are
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Jay Are
Ok that is a fair assessment I can live with your response to my opinion. Also I checked out your post history and you pretty much only post on the Movie/TV Board and you sound like a legit movie critic. Is that what you do? I’m seriously asking.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 1:15 am to Jay Are
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I don't understand why were still talking about this movie being hated when the majority of critics and audiences thought it was fine.
This. It was good, but it was a bit underwhelming given the hype.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 6:44 am to Melvin
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Yeah the world needs more formulaic comic book movies
The world didn't need Taxi Driver in clown makeup either. Ooh, look, he's crazy and off his meds. Now he's imagining things and getting violent. It was boring and derivative. The film should have been tethered more to the world of Batman. How many minutes was Joker in the movie? Five or ten? Maybe they should make a Joker film with the Joker doing Joker things. Hey, what a great idea for a sequel. Show how Joaquin's Joker gets from A to B.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 8:10 pm to LuckyTiger
This could have easily been a stronger original story without the Batman stuff. But, that wouldn't have made a billion at the box office.
Posted on 5/26/20 at 10:51 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Because there’s a right wing agenda to keep a certain segment of the population perpetually angry and afraid.
I can’t evenPosted on 5/26/20 at 10:55 pm to Draconian Sanctions
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Because there’s a right wing agenda to keep a certain segment of the population perpetually angry and afraid.
“Republican economic policies are going to put y’all back in chains!” -Joe Biden to a black audience, 2012
Posted on 5/27/20 at 5:55 pm to DiamondDog
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Phoenix version comes across as just a psychotic idiot. Not some engine of anarchy and madness. He isn’t devising any schemes besides shooting random people.
List the 'random people ' Joker shot.
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