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re: Axis Plans to invade America
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:52 am to Mud_Till_May
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:52 am to Mud_Till_May
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How would you invade America?
Get liberal democrats elected first to make it easier
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:52 am to Mud_Till_May
Take over all mass media and academia. Indoctrinate the youth from kindergarten through graduate school to be faithful to Leftist leaders and principles. Within a generation or two all media, Govt and Judicial leaders will be Leftist, if the Indoc is effective, which it will be.
This Leftist Fifth Column will transform the USA into a Leftist totalitarian regime, because the masses will be indoctrinated into believing in Leftism and will vote for Leftism.
Direct Police State tactics and methods at selected politically dangerous individual targets in order to discredit, imprison or destroy them.
Use foreign nation-state enemies of the USA, where possible, to assist the internal Fifth Column. Use mass media to support foreign nation-state enemies, where possible, when such enemies oppose the USA with soft power initiatives.
Utilize the United Nations to foment Leftism on a Globalist scale and use the taxpayers of the USA to support these efforts.
Not a shot need be fired. The USA can be subjugated by exploiting its own internal weaknesses and vulnerabilities. The notions of Freedom, Equality and Christianity can all be distorted and transformed into effective methods for the Fifth Column to exploit.
The USA is absolutely defenseless against any active Fifth Column that can rely on notions of Freedom, Equality and Christianity to rhetorically defend itself.
It's a "Long March Method", but, it should work -- unless
TRUMP !
This Leftist Fifth Column will transform the USA into a Leftist totalitarian regime, because the masses will be indoctrinated into believing in Leftism and will vote for Leftism.
Direct Police State tactics and methods at selected politically dangerous individual targets in order to discredit, imprison or destroy them.
Use foreign nation-state enemies of the USA, where possible, to assist the internal Fifth Column. Use mass media to support foreign nation-state enemies, where possible, when such enemies oppose the USA with soft power initiatives.
Utilize the United Nations to foment Leftism on a Globalist scale and use the taxpayers of the USA to support these efforts.
Not a shot need be fired. The USA can be subjugated by exploiting its own internal weaknesses and vulnerabilities. The notions of Freedom, Equality and Christianity can all be distorted and transformed into effective methods for the Fifth Column to exploit.
The USA is absolutely defenseless against any active Fifth Column that can rely on notions of Freedom, Equality and Christianity to rhetorically defend itself.
It's a "Long March Method", but, it should work -- unless
TRUMP !
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 8:58 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:53 am to Mud_Till_May
I would do it just like the Chinese have been doing it for 30 years.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 8:59 am to Mud_Till_May
The Germans were invading Russia to het to the oil fields in Baku. That was what Stalingrad was all about.
Likewise, the Japanese had no desire to attack the US mainland. Yamamato had told Tojo,et al that figjting the US was a death sentence for.....Japan
Plus by April of 1942 the German Navy had ceased to be much of a factor outside of its sub fleet and those were being hunted relentlessly
Likewise, the Japanese had no desire to attack the US mainland. Yamamato had told Tojo,et al that figjting the US was a death sentence for.....Japan
Plus by April of 1942 the German Navy had ceased to be much of a factor outside of its sub fleet and those were being hunted relentlessly
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:01 am to Mud_Till_May
IMO, west coast due to lack of population between the coastal cities and mississippi river
and on the east coast i would have come up through mexico....
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:02 am to Mud_Till_May
As a side thought, it is pretty interesting that, considering the high density of Germanic immigrants and descendants into the American heartland, there wasn't a wave of sabotaging going on within the homeland. Whose side the USA would enter the war for was still pretty ambiguous up until the mid-late 1930s. "War Plan Red" was the planned invasion of Canada should the USA have ended up against the British/on the side of Germany.. perhaps avoiding a bloody home front, by choosing to side with the Allies, was a bigger strategic decision than many realize. We may never know for sure.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:02 am to Mud_Till_May
Even in WW2 attacking the United States was next to impossible. Maybe the best chance would be to turn Mexico fascist and invade through the southwest. Even than you still have a major problem of supply, Mexico on their own couldn’t supply a massive invasion force from Germany. Germany would have a difficult time transporting supply without naval superiority.
Second problem is Germany’s navy is no where close to the Navy of the United States. Japan could match us early but our superior industry would beat out Japan even if they won the battle of midway. Even in the extremely unlikely scenario that they could invade and take Hawaii It’s still unlikely they could do anything from there. Think about it unless they caught us unprepared in Hawaii they likely would have to invade the Hawaiian islands and take out a force of 100K plus. Than supply a likely devastated Hawaiian islands after they bombed it and defeat likely multiple counter invasions by the United States. Even if they could hold and supply Hawaii it’s still not close enough to bomb the mainland USA or invade.
Could Japan use Alaska to invade the United States? IT may be the best option but unlikely. Again the same problem with Mexico. How can you supply a massive invasion force from Alaska? The United States would have no problem defending their coast land as supply wouldn’t be a problem. While the mountainous terrain in the inner passage and lack of infrastructure would be a major problem for any invading force.
How do you invade the East coast? Maybe island hop through Greenland and Iceland? But again how do you supply a massive invasion force?
As interesting as alternate scenario situations are like The Man in the High Castle. I find it next to impossible if not impossible to invade and overthrow the United States.
Maybe the only outside chance would be to start a civil war and join one side, but a Civil war In the United States during WWII I doubt it.
This may be more than you wanted but I love WWII history!
Second problem is Germany’s navy is no where close to the Navy of the United States. Japan could match us early but our superior industry would beat out Japan even if they won the battle of midway. Even in the extremely unlikely scenario that they could invade and take Hawaii It’s still unlikely they could do anything from there. Think about it unless they caught us unprepared in Hawaii they likely would have to invade the Hawaiian islands and take out a force of 100K plus. Than supply a likely devastated Hawaiian islands after they bombed it and defeat likely multiple counter invasions by the United States. Even if they could hold and supply Hawaii it’s still not close enough to bomb the mainland USA or invade.
Could Japan use Alaska to invade the United States? IT may be the best option but unlikely. Again the same problem with Mexico. How can you supply a massive invasion force from Alaska? The United States would have no problem defending their coast land as supply wouldn’t be a problem. While the mountainous terrain in the inner passage and lack of infrastructure would be a major problem for any invading force.
How do you invade the East coast? Maybe island hop through Greenland and Iceland? But again how do you supply a massive invasion force?
As interesting as alternate scenario situations are like The Man in the High Castle. I find it next to impossible if not impossible to invade and overthrow the United States.
Maybe the only outside chance would be to start a civil war and join one side, but a Civil war In the United States during WWII I doubt it.
This may be more than you wanted but I love WWII history!
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:04 am to Mud_Till_May
Elect a Kenyan President, count on him to open borders. Cheat your way into having one of the legislative branches under your control to throw shite at the new President to keep him from blocking additional troops coming into the US and from departing the enemies already within. Control the media so all the messaging is yours. Try to Get as many as possible reliant on the government and disarm those Americans that have caught on to your plan.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:04 am to Mud_Till_May
I understand the logic of invading New Orleans and control the mouth of the Mississippi. But not when you research it and the history of those attempting to do so. Then again, we are talking about a country dumb enough to invade Russia.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:19 am to Mud_Till_May
Impossible.
Easier to change the nation from within, like the Commies are doing/did.
Besides, the plan presented in the OP doesn't look like an invasion. It looks more like a blockade with the assistance of fifth columnists to stir up panic and fear inside the United States. The Japs could try and take the ports along the west coast, but no way in hell would they be able to hold them.
Easier to change the nation from within, like the Commies are doing/did.
Besides, the plan presented in the OP doesn't look like an invasion. It looks more like a blockade with the assistance of fifth columnists to stir up panic and fear inside the United States. The Japs could try and take the ports along the west coast, but no way in hell would they be able to hold them.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:22 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:19 am to Darth_Vader
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Whoever drew up a plan to march a Japanese army with a supply chain spanning the Pacific Ocean from the Aleutian Island through Alaska, down the coast of British Columbia, and all the way down the west coast to Los Angeles is a fricking idiot.
I'm sure they planned on supplying them from the sea.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 9:21 am to Mud_Till_May
The plan shown in that image in the OP is awful. Take Canada or Mexico first.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:11 am to imjustafatkid
You invade El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize & Nicaragua. You focus all efforts there, and once you have control of that region, you begin a massive military buildup. Then you roll up through Mexico and into the SW United States. Warm climate for operations, etc. The pass through the northern border would subject your troops to freezing to death. They would have learned that lesson in Russia.
This post was edited on 5/12/20 at 10:12 am
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:19 am to TSmith
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You invade El Salvador, Guatemala, Honduras, Belize & Nicaragua. You focus all efforts there, and once you have control of that region, you begin a massive military buildup. Then you roll up through Mexico and into the SW United States. Warm climate for operations, etc. The pass through the northern border would subject your troops to freezing to death. They would have learned that lesson in Russia.
Invading the United States is more than a warm climate vs cold climate issue. You could maybe invade El Salvador and all those Central American countries, but I would imagine that would just extend the United States as they would have sent military support to those countries. Plus the supply to win a battle against a fully supplied USA army navy and air force.
Operation sea lion was far from ever getting off the ground, let alone a cross Atlantic invasion of the United States.
If Germany beat the USSR and UK in Europe I would imagine they would sue for peace with the United States. There was no chance they could invade us.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:40 am to Mud_Till_May
The most fascinating plan was post invasion governing of America. Hitler had middle grade officers assigned to research their designated region.
IE, 'Capt. Schmidt, after we conquer the US you will be governor of a place called Virginia. You shall spend the next year studying English and learning everything about the region. You will learn about their agriculture, business, transportation, culture...everything.'
IE, 'Capt. Schmidt, after we conquer the US you will be governor of a place called Virginia. You shall spend the next year studying English and learning everything about the region. You will learn about their agriculture, business, transportation, culture...everything.'
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:53 am to TSmith
If I were attacking the US mainland I would go north into Canada and attack south. It would be easy to refuel and just attack down the east coast while providing cannon fire from sea.
I would then use the Appalachian mountains to help fight off attacks from the west like a natural fortress.
I would then use the Appalachian mountains to help fight off attacks from the west like a natural fortress.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 10:57 am to Mud_Till_May
I don't believe the Baws in SE LA would take kindly to some Nazi bastards rolling up the river.
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:03 am to anc
Always said that if the ChiComs could get a million men with rifles and mortars across the ocean that we would be in trouble.
Since that presents a considerable obstacle, they could do this:
Since that presents a considerable obstacle, they could do this:
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drop a flu like virus that kills the frail amongst us and let us hand over the keys
Posted on 5/12/20 at 11:05 am to Mud_Till_May
Open up trade with the US and slowly build wealth and military power over decades, using cheap labor and free trade ideals against US best interests until their economy is largely dependent on my manufacturing of their essential goods and raw materials. Use money to buy off politicians, and stakes in US based corporate media to push my propaganda.
Take over raw material mining in Africa and develop infrastructure there, and use this to force those nations to vote for representation in the UN and WHO that furthers my country’s best interests.
Create a deadly virus in a lab and spread it across the US, have aforementioned entities that I now control cover it up. Cause a panic and economic shutdown across the US. Swoop in and buy up large chunks of US businesses on the cheap. I now own enough of the US and it’s economy to control it.
Take over raw material mining in Africa and develop infrastructure there, and use this to force those nations to vote for representation in the UN and WHO that furthers my country’s best interests.
Create a deadly virus in a lab and spread it across the US, have aforementioned entities that I now control cover it up. Cause a panic and economic shutdown across the US. Swoop in and buy up large chunks of US businesses on the cheap. I now own enough of the US and it’s economy to control it.
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