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re: God Has A Plan For Your Life
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:59 am to bfniii
Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:59 am to bfniii
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no you didn't. go read it again
"When did you stop beating your wife?"
"I never beat my wife"
"You didn't answer my question."
"Uh, yea. I did."
I didn't smuggle in any morality, I used your own.
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name one thing i've missed or one inconsistency
1.) You keep saying that God allowed the children to die when the Bible says he sent the Holy Spirit to kill them.
2.) You accused me of "smuggling" in my own morality when all I've done is use the Bible's own standards (see Ezekiel 18:20).
3.) You keep trying to suggest that God killed the Egyptian children not because of what Pharaoh refused to do, but because of something they did.
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so it's a stupid point. that's all you had to say. you tried to generalize about a suburban american commenting on suffering and you totally failed.
My generalization is correct, though. Christianity is on the decline, most notably in educated communities.
We can discuss correlation and causation, but the trend is there.
I also find it laughable that you're jumping my arse about generalizations when you generalized China and Africa's general acceptance of Christianity.
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already done. i gave you several examples.
Next time provide good examples.
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Posted on 5/7/20 at 11:59 am to The Maj
Apparently, God's plan must be for millions of babies to get aborted every year.
You bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
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Some will receive their reward on this earth and others will receive their reward in eternity
You bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:02 pm to BayouBlitz
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Apparently, God's plan must be for millions of babies to get aborted every year.
No that satan's plan and you support it
Are you really this stupid?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:05 pm to BayouBlitz
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Apparently, God's plan must be for millions of babies to get aborted every year.
And the usual Christian response only makes things worse.
"But the babies go to Heaven!"
Alright, so now you have a system where aborted children go directly to Heaven but everyone else has to navigate the world and earn their spot in Heaven by deciding which religion is correct and choosing Christ.
It's like having a classroom where a portion of the class gets a free A+ (they actually can't not get an A+, it's impossible), and the rest of the students have to choose the right answers to get their A+.
Oh yea, and all the while, people are saying how perfectly just the teacher is. Nope, there's nothing uneven about that class or the test. It's a perfectly fair playing field.
So there's a feel good answer for the aborted souls, but ultimately it shows unequal salvation standards that is unbefitting of a perfectly just being.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 12:06 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:06 pm to TCUFan
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God Has A Plan For Your Life
If he does he has one hell of a weird sense of humor.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:06 pm to Azkiger
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Out of all the possible ways to show how serious an offense is, why choose blood sacrifice?
Does it not get your attention? Do you not think it made an impression on the ancient Israelites and proto-Israelites?
If you are in an agrarian/herding type society, your animals were one of your prized possessions. To offer up a prized possession in atonement shows how serious you are about honoring God. It needed to mean something to the person so he took it seriously and was remembered. If the atonement was light, he would be more inclined to take sinning lightly.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:07 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:Why is suffering and dying "evil" or simply morally wrong in your worldview?
Because the child suffers and dies.
The question comes down to an examination of fundamentally held presuppositions.
quote:Even if all victims of sexual abuse had significant issues that followed, why are significant issues a justification for saying such acts are morally wrong? I have a justification for why they are wrong, but what is yours?
Because getting buttfricked as a child causes significant issues in the child’s life.
quote:I think you're failing to see the quandary you're in here.
If those things happen due to the chaotic nature of the universe then that sucks but there is no cosmic blame to pass around.
If the Biblical God doesn't exist, then all there is would be cosmic chaos with no objective moral standard and therefore no moral blame to be levied anywhere. However, if the Biblical God exists, then He's provided an objective moral standard or basis for identifying right and wrong and assigning blame. By that very standard, there is no basis for blaming God for the results of our own sinfulness.
Either way, you have no basis for condemning God, or the claims about God. If those claims are true, you have no basis to judge God, and if they are false, you have no objective standard to condemn anything.
quote:Why are the arguments "retarded"? They are logically sound and in alignment with the revealed will of God. It seems to me that you simply don't like them, but why are you the arbiter of what is and isn't "retarded" in that case?
You guys who put forth the idea that God hs a specific plan for each individual life end up saying some absolutely retarded shite trying to justify why a loving God would choose to put cancer in a kid’s body or know and ordain they’ll get sexually abused.
quote:No twisting is necessary. There is a systematic approach to theology that provides logically consistent answers to the skeptical questions that exist. A lack of comprehension by the listener does not equate to "twisting" by the speaker.
But it’s always fun to watch you guys twist yourself into a pretzel trying to explain it away.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:08 pm to BayouBlitz
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You bought into it, hook, line, and sinker.
You think I am ashamed of my belief? You can mock me all you would like quite honestly but tell me, why does my belief cause you so much anguish?
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Apparently, God's plan must be for millions of babies to get aborted every year.
The best trick Satan ever played was convincing the world that he was not real...
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:08 pm to SDVTiger
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No that satan's plan and you support it
Why is an all-powerful God letting Satan kill babies?
Your God sounds like an a-hole.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:09 pm to The Maj
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The best trick Satan ever played was convincing the world that he was not real...
Yup. I got 4 downvotes from the satan worshipers saying this
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:10 pm to TCUFan
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If you are in an agrarian/herding type society, your animals were one of your prized possessions. To offer up a prized possession in atonement shows how serious you are about honoring God. It needed to mean something to the person so he took it seriously and was remembered. If the atonement was light, he would be more inclined to take sinning lightly.
all beautiful words and imagery but it is still missing the point of a god that requires sacrifice only because he created the situation that requires it.
Why require it at all? why does he need us?
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:12 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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Valhalla
Bitch, you too fat to swing a ax and die as a warrior in battle.
You going to Niflheim.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:12 pm to UPT
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Why is his plan for my life so much different than his plan is for a man my age in Mogadishu?
If it were true, hypothetically speaking, that God has a plan for your life (assuming naturally God was real), who would you be to ask him that?
If He designed your circulatory system and the world's balanced climate and the cosmos and the endless neural connections that compose your brain, I'm pretty sure he'd be able to answer your question.
That said, I'm also just playing devil's advocate because I too am agnostic at best.
I am quite at peace allowing people their religious convictions as long as they're peaceful and don't find a way to have their dogmas infringe on my life.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:13 pm to BayouBlitz
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an a-hole
You are the master of a holes. Sounds legit.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:13 pm to BayouBlitz
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Why is an all-powerful God letting Satan kill babies?
Your God sounds like an a-hole.
You are insane and so very stupid
Must suck so bad
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:13 pm to TCUFan
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Does it not get your attention? Do you not think it made an impression on the ancient Israelites and proto-Israelites?
So forget all the pillars of fire, mana from heaven, rivers of blood, talking burning bushes, God needed blood sacrifices to get their attention?
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If you are in an agrarian/herding type society, your animals were one of your prized possessions. To offer up a prized possession in atonement shows how serious you are about honoring God. It needed to mean something to the person so he took it seriously and was remembered. If the atonement was light, he would be more inclined to take sinning lightly.
I get the gravity of the offering, but why tie it to blood sacrifices alone? Let's say I chose to burn all my farm equipment instead, and that sacrifice was valued at more than my most prized cow, would that also work? Does that not show how serious I am about honoring God and trying to atone for my transgressions? What about giving the value of my most prize cow, or even more, to a poor family in need?
What I'm trying to get at is that the blood sacrifice thing seems quite arbitrary. Sure you can justify it by saying it checks boxes A, B, and C. But so do a lot of other actions, yet those actions don't, at least according to my understanding of the Bible, grant you atonement.
This post was edited on 5/7/20 at 12:15 pm
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:20 pm to FATBOY TIGER
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Because Odin didn't send c-19
Romans 11:36
All things come from god, through god, and return to god, Praise him for ever.
Odin couldn't because he is not a god.
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Odin died defending his people and kingdom.
So have a lot of other people but that doesn't make them God.
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I've seen to many good people die for no reason.
Rid the world of all disease, heal the sick of all illness, tear down the wall around the vatican.
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Wars have been fought over religious beliefs. Some continue today.
Wars are fought for all kinds or reasons. Secular reasons. Scarcity reasons. Ego reasons and so on. Seems very unfair to place all the wars at the feet of religion. Most of the killing in history done in the 20th century (which was more than any other point in history) was enacted under pagan or atheistic ideas rather than Christian ones. Hitler, Pol Pot, Mao, Stalin, etc.
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I was once an alter boy, it took my uncle, the only person to believe me to make the priest admit his wrong doing. Evil persists everywhere, the pope slaps a woman, meh, she deserves it.
I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you have received counseling and been able to work through it.
And yet, I hope in time you can see that such actions of the priest were not the actions of God. As we know all to well that man is fallible but God is not. If you have been thinking about the question of evil, I think you will find this book helpful. I prefer the audiobook as I can listen to it as I workout or run errands but it is called "Walking With God Through Pain and Suffering" by Timothy Keller. He is not a Catholic but has had his share of pain and suffering.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:25 pm to UPT
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Why is his plan for my life so much different than his plan is for a man my age in Mogadishu?
If God and eternity are real, then your life on Earth is only a small piece of your existence.
If that is true, then it provides more context for conditions of life on Earth, and only a small amount of open-mindedness would generate possible justifiable reasons for the differences you're talking about.
The problem with so many people is that they start with the final answer and don't allow themselves to consider other possibilities.
"Evil exists, therefore God isn't real or is not good" is not a very strong argument.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:27 pm to Zach
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God helped me in my darkest moment. I didn't know what I was doing wrong. And suddenly His voice came from above and he said 'On fairway shots look at the back of the ball where you plan to strike it. Don't look at the entire ball.'
It worked!
Gonna bite you in the arse one day.
Posted on 5/7/20 at 12:29 pm to m2pro
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If it were true, hypothetically speaking, that God has a plan for your life (assuming naturally God was real), who would you be to ask him that?
I'm a believer, but I disagree that we don't have a right to ask questions of God. We just aren't being logical if we think that we are fully able to judge the "answer". We might not even know the question.
I do think it would be great, if God exists, if everyone who hated him or doubted him would humbly ask him questions.
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