re: God Has A Plan For Your Life

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I've seen to many good people die for no reason

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who told you there was no reason?

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Rid the world of all disease, heal the sick of all illness, tear down the wall around the vatican.

Wars have been fought over religious beliefs. Some continue today.

I was once an alter boy, it took my uncle, the only person to believe me to make the priest admit his wrong doing. Evil persists everywhere, the pope slaps a woman, meh, she deserves it.

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you're conflating institutional religion with actual personal belief, which is all too common in our country today. people can't make the distinction

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According to Ezekiel 18:20, yes. Is that passage wrong?

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i supposed you are trying to say that god was wrong to kill the egyptian children because of the sins of the egyptian adults. first, you would have to prove that was the reason god allowed the children to die. second, you would also have to prove the egyptian children also did not reject god. these objections are typical when people assume that children are somehow morally "innocent." children come out of the womb knowing how to lie. no one has to teach that.

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You need to pull out a calculator to figure out whether killing children isn't good?

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no, i'm asking you to defend your dumb stance on how religion thrives in poverty but not in upper classes. you responded with "polls." that's not a rule written in stone and i gave you examples of how you were wrong

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I don't have that answer

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then you should probably not use that as a criticism because it's ignorant

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I bet parents with children who have leukemia could talk you about that

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you think there aren't christians who have been in this situation?

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but no one wants to substantiate where their criticism is derived

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my criticism is derived from the cancer and the buttfricking imposed on innocent children

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I did.

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no you didn't. go read it again

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Not surprised, you've missed a lot of important points so far

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name one thing i've missed or one inconsistency

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I never said it's a rule, "as a general rule" is a phrase used to describe trends. There are outliers, sure, but the trend is there

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so it's a stupid point. that's all you had to say. you tried to generalize about a suburban american commenting on suffering and you totally failed.

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Then you'd have no problem demonstrating it

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already done. i gave you several examples.

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my criticism is derived from the cancer and the buttfricking imposed on innocent children

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You're assuming cancer is evil. How are you justifying that assertion apart from God's moral law?

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my criticism is derived from the cancer and the buttfricking imposed on innocent children

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sigh. once again, everyone in life suffers. is god wrong for allowing it? yes or no

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first, you would have to prove that was the reason god allowed the children to die.

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First, God didn't "allow them to die", he killed them.

As to your point, Ezekiel 18:20 says the person who sins is the one to be punished. This makes sense. Why punish an innocent person for the sins of someone else?

But that's what God did here. The Pharaoh chose to keep the Hebrew slaves (disobey God's command) and as punishment, God killed children who were not involved in the Pharaoh's decision to keep the Hebrews slaves.

According to that Ezekiel verse, Pharaoh should be the one punished, not someone else. He did the bad deed.

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no

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Yes.

I said this

You said this.

You asked me for an algorithm showing how killing children effects the sort of being God is.

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You're assuming cancer is evil. How are you justifying that assertion apart from God's moral law?

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Because the child suffers and dies. Because getting buttfricked as a child causes significant issues in the child’s life. If those things happen due to the chaotic nature of the universe then that sucks but there is no cosmic blame to pass around. You guys who put forth the idea that God hs a specific plan for each individual life end up saying some absolutely retarded shite trying to justify why a loving God would choose to put cancer in a kid’s body or know and ordain they’ll get sexually abused.

But it’s always fun to watch you guys twist yourself into a pretzel trying to explain it away.

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worship is another word for defer to authority. that's tough for our society right now because we're suffering from a crisis of authority. postmodernism decentralized the existential experience. contemporary westerners have trouble with that concept whereas basically every other culture did not. it seems foreign to many people in america today. everyone defers to some authority. the problem is the not recognizing that the concept of authority is pointless apart from a transcendent authoritative anchor

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So you only take one meaning of the word "worship" to fit your narrative. got it. I can "defer authority" without professing that our creator killed his son to save us. I dont have the ability to create the universe and most anything in it but to say definitively that this is correct is ignorant from the start. We genuilnly have no other way to determine "gods plan" or what rules to follow other than the bible that was written and composed by man.

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we don't only suffer. there is plenty about life to love and enjoy.

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very many people afflicted with debilitating diseases and deformations will disagree with you.

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he didn't "kill" jesus. jesus "emptied" himself of heavenly privilege to show just how much god truly loves us.

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so jesus volunteered or was he sent with a single purpose? because he sure was killed in the book. And if God is all knowing and powerful then he killed his son to show us he loves us. There are more ways to show your other plants you love then than by stepping on a flower and killing it.

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before making this statement, you might want to clear up your misunderstandings

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no misunderstanding here. God is all powerful and is in charge and responsible for literally everything. His rules not mine. the book clearly says believe in me and my way or burn in hell for eternity. Thats a game i dont even want to play with rules like that.

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first, he allows suffering, yes. is that wrong? second, if you're acknowledging god's existence then you already know the answer to the second question. he is the only solution because he is the highest authority

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see my previous a-hole comment. why would an all caring all loving god even have the idea of suffering? why create it at all?

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genesis 1:31

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Genesis 1:31, NASB: "God saw all that He had made, and behold, it was very good. And there was evening and there was morning, the sixth day."

So God claims everything he made is good. the devil is good, evil is good, sin is good. free will is good. our choices in our free will are good. killing babies with your holy spirit good. giving children cancer and other diseases so they live short painful lives is good? not buying it.

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but that is very much a great beginning point because it acknowledges the transcendent authoritative nature of god. it's hard to move forward with any sort of ontological truth apart from that. check out the "shema" in deuteronomy 6:4-9. apart from a transcendent authority, nothing in life has any sort of enduring meaning. it's all just dust in the wind.

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so believe in god only and nothing else matters? again check out my "selfish god" comment.

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well god did reveal his will to us

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a book written and composed by man. please forgive me if i dont trust "man". especially those 1500-3000 years ago.

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oh boy. so you know nothing about the bible. would you like to not be ignorant or are you going to just parrot what you heard? who are these "shady" people and what makes them shady?

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your assumptions of my bible knowledge are the same ones you are making for "god has a plan for your life". You only know what you have read about me. you dont know the real me. I find it ignorant to blindly believe that the bible just one day magically appeared in its final form as we know it today. That simply didnt happen. (not saying that is what you are claiming, just pointing out this next step) It took several hundred years to shape, mold, remove books, translate... Im sure its just perfect and no human influence over the hundreds of years made its way into the book. because there is absolutely no evidence of any religious leaders carrying out terrible things in the name of their religion.