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re: The Curve Has Been Flattened Then What
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:02 pm to PrivatePublic
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:02 pm to PrivatePublic
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Herd immunity was the right call; too bad nobody had the balls to do it.
The danger with that decision is we don't yet know the extent or length of the human immune response to COVID-19. Many of the immune responses to the coronavirus family are very short-lived. Going all-in on herd immunity could work or it could be devastating, we simply don't know enough about the antibody response to make that call on the medical facts.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:15 pm to Penrod
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We go to the mitigation strategy that the S Koreans are doing. Or, we could just lie like China.
Yep, flatten the curve and then a ton of testing to help control it like South Korea and then we vaccinate.
This post was edited on 3/29/20 at 3:16 pm
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:17 pm to PrivatePublic
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Herd immunity was the right call; too bad nobody had the balls to do it.
Was the right call if your goal was to cripple the health care system and then the economy because nobody could get even basic health care.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:35 pm to Pilot Tiger
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with a flattening and subsequent decrease, youll see certain areas slowly reopen.
this is what i'm thinking as well, emphasis on the "slowly". i seriously doubt the whole country is going to get an all clear at some date in the future. it is going to be a gradual reopening in some regions, then others depending on how hard hit they are.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:51 pm to Catchfalaya
The only way to end this is for elderly to stay in and enough younger folk get this and become immune to insulate the greater public. Waiting for a cure is laughable.
The only reason we shut down the economy is because the fake news would use it as a political weapon against Trump. So he had to shut it down to beat them at their game. They are killing the economy but losing the political game. Now he has to poll the public and wait for them to get tired of this b.s. before he can open it back up and not have anyone care about the fake news media bs bc they are tired of staying in. About 2 more weeks i would guess.
The only reason we shut down the economy is because the fake news would use it as a political weapon against Trump. So he had to shut it down to beat them at their game. They are killing the economy but losing the political game. Now he has to poll the public and wait for them to get tired of this b.s. before he can open it back up and not have anyone care about the fake news media bs bc they are tired of staying in. About 2 more weeks i would guess.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:53 pm to BlackPawnMartyr
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The only reason we shut down the economy is because the fake news would use it as a political weapon against Trump
Yes the CDC and WHO are working against Trump and all those countries that are closing down are also working against Trump
Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:54 pm to PrivatePublic
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Herd immunity was the right call; too bad nobody had the balls to do it.
So many of you Cletuses don't understand that's not how herd immunity works.
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Herd immunity only works if most people in the population are vaccinated (for example, 19 out of every 20 people need to be vaccinated against measles to protect people who are not vaccinated). If people are not vaccinated, herd immunity is not guaranteed to protect them.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:56 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 3:57 pm to efrad
No, you dummies just don't understand these concepts and parrot whatever the Cletus talking point of the day happens to be.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:00 pm to PrivatePublic
To achieve herd immunity on a r0 virus of 2.0, 60% of the population has to acquire the bug. If the fatality rate is 2%, are you willing to bury 4.2 million people,,,,and if you are, where you going to bury them all?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:01 pm to Catchfalaya
No matter what action was taken people would be bitching about it. If absolutely nothing was done and then more people than usual start dying from "some type of virus" all of sudden then people would be saying "the government knew about it and did absolutely nothing to protect us".
But now since they are taking action everyone is all up in arms about it and think its some type of conspiracy.
And can you provide me a link to show that the curve has been flattened? Not to mention, you think once it does flatten the best thing to do is immediately "go back to normal"? That would only allow it to start spreading again. 3 months later they will be shutting shite down again. I rather them get this shite under control, don't rush it just to get people back to normal just because people are unhappy. I'd rather give up a few more weeks than have to shut shite down 3 months later for another month or so.
But now since they are taking action everyone is all up in arms about it and think its some type of conspiracy.
And can you provide me a link to show that the curve has been flattened? Not to mention, you think once it does flatten the best thing to do is immediately "go back to normal"? That would only allow it to start spreading again. 3 months later they will be shutting shite down again. I rather them get this shite under control, don't rush it just to get people back to normal just because people are unhappy. I'd rather give up a few more weeks than have to shut shite down 3 months later for another month or so.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:09 pm to Tempratt
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I seriously doubt you'll ever seen the curver "flatten out" as you call it.
For the time being it's far easier to control the population by never admitting that it's gotten "better."
Sadly the situation we're in now is the new normal.
Brace for acceptance.
Jesus you people are retarded. Where do yall get this shite from?
Control the population for what? There is a lot more to lose than to gain by shutting shite down. Its not like they have taken your rights away or anything. They just don't want this shite to continue spreading because.. Well, if you haven't noticed, there are hospitals already over capacity. That's what this all comes down to. Resources. But yeah they want to control us by not getting too close to people and stay away from large groups..
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:13 pm to athenslife101
How long? There has to be some sort of definitive time horizon, this cannot be open ended and right now too many people are content for the open ended option.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:15 pm to Unknown_Poster
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:32 pm to Catchfalaya
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What exactly are we looking for to re-open society, and give the all clear?
Trump said Easter, so the week after next.
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Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:34 pm to Catchfalaya
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What exactly are we looking for to re-open society, and give the all clear? Let’s take Louisiana for example. I expect the number of cases to continue to rise through all of next week to the the tune of +700 +1000 a day. At the end of next Sunday let’s say we start to see the dip in the curve. Two weeks go by and the dip gets lower new cases go from the +700 to only +70 +40. The government reopens everything based off their success in flattening the curve.
A month goes by and all of a sudden people start getting infected again in big surpluses. What now? Shut everything down again? My opinion is at some point you got to let this virus run its course or maybe their logic is they will be better prepared for the second wave with treatments, new facilities online, etc.
I don't know if i agree with your forecast for what will happen once stuff gets reopened.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:34 pm to Catchfalaya
The curve is already flattening in Louisiana. Look at today’s update. Less that 300 new cases, it’s falling. Now what?
Posted on 3/29/20 at 4:38 pm to Boston911
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To achieve herd immunity on a r0 virus of 2.0, 60% of the population has to acquire the bug. If the fatality rate is 2%, are you willing to bury 4.2 million people,,,,and if you are, where you going to bury them all?
This is not correct. That many just have to build antibodies to the virus. We build antibodies to viruses all the time without ever showing symptoms. This is the point of Dr. Birx wanting an antibody test. What if 40% of us already have antibodies? Herd immunity isnt that far off then. She cited that in SK and China (if we can believe them) there hasn’t been a second spike so more people have antibodies that we probably know.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 5:32 pm to tigereye58
quote:Well how the hell do you build the antibodies genius? You either build antibodies one of two ways, acquire the infection or get vaccinated
This is not correct. That many just have to build antibodies to the virus.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 5:40 pm to Boston911
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To achieve herd immunity on a r0 virus of 2.0, 60% of the population has to acquire the bug. If the fatality rate is 2%, are you willing to bury 4.2 million people,,,,and if you are, where you going to bury them all?
That’s not what would happen, both because the fatality rate isn’t that high in practice, and because you would quarantine the high risk population.
If a whole bunch of healthy young people get infected, the mortality rate will be very low.
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