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Those who distrust science, facts, and/or the government...why?
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:02 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:02 pm
I've felt for a long time that as a society we're moving away from science and fact-based decision making to more of a, "I feel this..." or "I feel that...", with people making decisions based on how they "feel" about things, rather than making decisions based on facts.
Why do you feel the way you do? Do you distrust the messengers? Why? Why are conspiracies more accepted now by larger sections of the public than before? Social media?
It's interesting because you see it on both sides of the political spectrum. The right tends to hold on to more conspiracy based theories and ideas these days, deep state, out to get them, etc., while the left invents 18 new genders and embraces those who "feel" like they're not who they really are, etc.
Thoughts?
Why do you feel the way you do? Do you distrust the messengers? Why? Why are conspiracies more accepted now by larger sections of the public than before? Social media?
It's interesting because you see it on both sides of the political spectrum. The right tends to hold on to more conspiracy based theories and ideas these days, deep state, out to get them, etc., while the left invents 18 new genders and embraces those who "feel" like they're not who they really are, etc.
Thoughts?
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:04 pm to Smalls
Because "science" doesn't mean facts any more.
There is so much information out there that you can pretty much find a reasonable argument for or against anything.
For every "Scientist A says ABC is fact" there is another "Scientist" that says XYZ is fact.
Having all the information in the world at our fingertips is both a blessing and a curse.
As far as distrusting government, I'm not sure how anyone can ask that question with a straight face.
There is so much information out there that you can pretty much find a reasonable argument for or against anything.
For every "Scientist A says ABC is fact" there is another "Scientist" that says XYZ is fact.
Having all the information in the world at our fingertips is both a blessing and a curse.
As far as distrusting government, I'm not sure how anyone can ask that question with a straight face.
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 11:05 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:05 pm to Smalls
“Government may be the only thing that can fail miserably and then get bigger as a result.”
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:05 pm to Smalls
There’s a reason Louisiana is 50th in everything and this board has proven why over the past couple weeks. And those idiots can’t just blame everything on the blacks.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:06 pm to Smalls
We've managed to politicize science too.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:07 pm to Smalls
"Political parties will be the downfall of America".-George Washington
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:09 pm to Smalls
Have you ever known a politician? More than half are whack jobs.
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:12 pm to Smalls
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:14 pm to Smalls
I can get the first two, but the fricking government? frick, I work for the federal government and I don't trust them
Tuskegee syphilis experiment
Tuskegee syphilis experiment
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 11:19 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:17 pm to Smalls
... I started to answer your question but realized I'd have to type a 10 page report to say everything I wanted to say.
And no one's gonna read all that or give a shite so...
And in short, they should be questioned at the very least.
Corruption because of money from the powers that be is so prevalent nowadays that everyone and everything should be questioned.
It's not that I think these scientists are bad scientists in the sense that they aren't capable.
It's that they may have agendas that don't align with merely achieving good science for whatever reason.
And no one's gonna read all that or give a shite so...
And in short, they should be questioned at the very least.
Corruption because of money from the powers that be is so prevalent nowadays that everyone and everything should be questioned.
It's not that I think these scientists are bad scientists in the sense that they aren't capable.
It's that they may have agendas that don't align with merely achieving good science for whatever reason.
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 11:29 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:30 pm to Smalls
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Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:34 pm to Smalls
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Thoughts?
Until your so- called “science” can duplicate the causes of global warming (proving that it is man made) over and over again in a lab; it’s NOT Science.
What you have is science combined with a political agenda then.
This post was edited on 3/28/20 at 11:37 pm
Posted on 3/28/20 at 11:42 pm to Smalls
I never trust the government. Not China’s, America’s, Russia’s, France’s, or any other. They all have lied.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:18 am to Smalls
It's about trust and credibility, of course. When global warming scientists tell us every 10 years we've got 8 years to save the planet, the public stops listening. Yes, I think climate change is a thing. No, I don't think it's a near-term existential threat. Or when the APA questions the mental health of gun owners but says in the same breath that cutting off your genitalia is a health decision we should respect.
Moreover, when I see the Twitter feed of Dr. Climate and it's filled with rantings about the glories of socialist Venezuela or some other absurdity, it's hard for me to go "oh yeah, I'm sure this war waged against American business is entirely about saving the earth and not at all colored by your loathing of American capitalism." Is that fair? Not necessarily, but am I really supposed to go "oh well he's got a PHD so I should ignore that he's a fringe radical because he can separate that from his real job"?
Access to information plays a role, of course. People distrust the government more because they have more access to it, and see how it's largely filled with self-interested sociopaths. And social media, as you indicate.
On that note, I also think a 24/7 news cycle that is now 90% polarizing opinion-driven has rotted our collective American brain. Millions of Americans just sit and watch Fox or CNN regurgitate the same "you should be so mad about this!" shite all day every day. It's a drug, and people crave it, and to deliver it Fox and CNN have to turn "experts" into "experts who take absurd positions for views". So subject matter experts no longer have an interest in remaining neutral on overt political matters (and some of that falls back on us - the viewing public).
Moreover, when I see the Twitter feed of Dr. Climate and it's filled with rantings about the glories of socialist Venezuela or some other absurdity, it's hard for me to go "oh yeah, I'm sure this war waged against American business is entirely about saving the earth and not at all colored by your loathing of American capitalism." Is that fair? Not necessarily, but am I really supposed to go "oh well he's got a PHD so I should ignore that he's a fringe radical because he can separate that from his real job"?
Access to information plays a role, of course. People distrust the government more because they have more access to it, and see how it's largely filled with self-interested sociopaths. And social media, as you indicate.
On that note, I also think a 24/7 news cycle that is now 90% polarizing opinion-driven has rotted our collective American brain. Millions of Americans just sit and watch Fox or CNN regurgitate the same "you should be so mad about this!" shite all day every day. It's a drug, and people crave it, and to deliver it Fox and CNN have to turn "experts" into "experts who take absurd positions for views". So subject matter experts no longer have an interest in remaining neutral on overt political matters (and some of that falls back on us - the viewing public).
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:24 am to Smalls
People are concerned and just don’t want to think this thing is as bad as it is. A bit of denial.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:28 am to Smalls
quote:
Those who distrust science, facts, and/or the government.
What a retarded grouping.
“For those that love college sports, good food, and anal rape...why?”
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:28 am to Smalls
quote:
Why do you feel the way you do? Do you distrust the messengers?
No
I totally distrusts governmental solutioms which areoften more fear based than science.
Science based solutions are fine as long as you consider every aspect like social behavior, economcs, etc.
Scientists know little about those.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:33 am to Smalls
The government exists for one purpose....to expand the control and enrichment of government. They will also distort science to this end.
Posted on 3/29/20 at 12:35 am to Smalls
quote:I don't fear the Messengers. Nor do I fear the Message.
Do you distrust the messengers
Posted on 3/29/20 at 1:32 am to Smalls
I have worked with research scientists in private industry, and university settings. I trust those in private industry, but academics can be very biased, and agenda driven.
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