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re: CPM on Off the Bench
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:28 am to ProjectP2294
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:28 am to ProjectP2294
It’s completely disingenuous to say that this kids don’t face good pitching and can’t be evaluated well enough. Every single one of them has been on a select team facing the same pitchers we recruit and/or get drafted. And that is what they are evaluated against most.
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Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:36 am to The Pirate King
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Idk if this is his age taking over or what, but I don’t remember him being this clueless and befuddled and saying stupid shite at the beginning.
He’s been doing it for 10 years.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:36 am to ell_13
Thanks for updating. We may see Arnold for an at bat or two later in the weekend after all.
I just don't know where he's going to get the reps between now and SEC.
I just don't know where he's going to get the reps between now and SEC.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:37 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:37 am to ell_13
And I'm not saying our recruiting approach to go after multisport guys and high level athletes is bad (I think it's a great approach actually).
It's just one that REQUIRES development.
I've said it before, but it doesn't seem like the coaches actually have a development plan in place for the position players.
Sending Dugas and Giacomo to sit the bench in the Cape instead of actually playing in the Northwoods league set them back.
When Jake Slaughter was here they did the same thing. He played LF most of his time in the Cape (the 2 games a week he actually played) but was expected to come in and play 3B for LSU. Wouldn't it have been more productive to get him in a league where there was a little more control over his playing time and position?
It's just one that REQUIRES development.
I've said it before, but it doesn't seem like the coaches actually have a development plan in place for the position players.
Sending Dugas and Giacomo to sit the bench in the Cape instead of actually playing in the Northwoods league set them back.
When Jake Slaughter was here they did the same thing. He played LF most of his time in the Cape (the 2 games a week he actually played) but was expected to come in and play 3B for LSU. Wouldn't it have been more productive to get him in a league where there was a little more control over his playing time and position?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:38 am to ell_13
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It’s completely disingenuous to say that this kids don’t face good pitching and can’t be evaluated well enough. Every single one of them has been on a select team facing the same pitchers we recruit and/or get drafted. And that is what they are evaluated against most.
I’m confused too. We hear a lot about year round ball, travel ball and HS coaches who gripe because travel ball is ruining players.
Now we hear our recruits are “raw”, and don’t face 90 mph pitchers making it hard for them to be evaluated.
In my mind it’s not adding up.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:38 am to Adam4848
Get him some ABs this weekend and let him start against USA
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:39 am to Number 9 Fan
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Now we hear our recruits are “raw”, and don’t face 90 mph pitchers making it hard for them to be evaluated.
Guys can play travel ball against high level competition and still be raw.
ETA: Kyle Lewis won the Golden Spikes after playing three years of playing college baseball and was still considered raw.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 9:41 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:41 am to ProjectP2294
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Guys can play travel ball against high level competition and still be raw.
Do you mean “raw” as if they are poorly coached or uncoached?
I respect your opinion and I’m trying to understand.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:45 am to ProjectP2294
I honestly find it sad and disappointing that we seem to rely so much on the summer for development. Yet the way you describe it, that’s hardly the real plan. Guys like Kramer and Stevenson made huge jumps over the summer thanks to coaching and changes made with the help of non-LSU people.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:47 am to Number 9 Fan
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Do you mean “raw” as if they are poorly coached or uncoached?
Meaning they've flashed enough talent to show they can play baseball and are good enough athletes that it can reasonably be expected that they can play baseball at a very high level.
But they're still far from finished products. It comes with coaching on specific aspects of the game (wherever they're deficient) and reps. We purposely recruit high level multisport athletes, because better athletes have a higher probability of being better baseball players. But it takes reps to get them there.
I wouldn't say un coached, but under coached would be accurate.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:49 am to ell_13
Good interview. Some of those quotes are disparaging, but im not surprised. He says stupid shite sometimes. Just get it right at this point. Hopefully arnold can be who we hope he can. Instead of saying you are guessing in recruiting, say you are taking some calculated risks.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:52 am to ProjectP2294
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Meaning they've flashed enough talent to show they can play baseball and are good enough athletes that it can reasonably be expected that they can play baseball at a very high level.
But they're still far from finished products. It comes with coaching on specific aspects of the game (wherever they're deficient) and reps. We purposely recruit high level multisport athletes, because better athletes have a higher probability of being better baseball players. But it takes reps to get them there.
I wouldn't say un coached, but under coached would be accurate.
Don’t all the schools face the same issues? Aren’t their kids “raw” as you define it?
Another thing, do kids really take to coaching, or do they think they already have it figured out?
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:53 am to ell_13
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I honestly find it sad and disappointing that we seem to rely so much on the summer for development.
It's the nature of the beast. But there are better ways to use it.
Sending guys to a league to play with no action items and no plan for position or playing time is not efficient or effective.
Putting the development plan together and simply having it executed in whatever league they go to is still developing your guys, but using the summer program as the tool.
There should also be consideration given to which guys really need to go away for the summer or should they stick around campus and just develop physically (cough Hal Hughes cough).
With this Baton Rouge Rougarou team, they could even blend those two options. Get guys reps, but they're still close enough to access the S&C coaches and facilities through the summer.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:55 am to Number 9 Fan
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Don’t all the schools face the same issues? Aren’t their kids “raw” as you define it?
Some schools recruit guys that may be a tier lower from an athlete standpoint but are more polished baseball players.
Some schools recruit a majority JUCO guys so that they're developed more by the time they get to campus.
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Another thing, do kids really take to coaching, or do they think they already have it figured out?
Probably both. But that's something that should be figured out as much as possible during the recruiting process (which in general, not specific to LSU, could use an overhaul).
Posted on 3/6/20 at 9:57 am to josh336
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Instead of saying you are guessing in recruiting, say you are taking some calculated risks.
In reality, they are taking calculated risks. Which is why it's so baffling that he would undersell it to the point of making himself look stupid.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:01 am to ProjectP2294
I think sometimes he tries to oversimplify things in his interviews because he assumes most of the people hearing them have a baseball iq of close to zero. I feel like when i hear them, im being lectured at like a 12 year old baseball player or a 50 year old parent who never has watched before.
And thats what this was.
And thats what this was.
This post was edited on 3/6/20 at 10:02 am
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:02 am to ell_13
He isn't wrong about any of that. The team will come around, but I do get frustrated with things like base running errors that never seem to get corrected.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:03 am to ell_13
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This team isn’t as talented as he thought it would be Recruiting is a guessing game
Maybe he needs to concentrate on recruiting for LSU and not coaching team USA!
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:16 am to josh336
quote:I left out the entire part of the interview where he does exactly this in terms of explaining batting averages. He talks for about 2 minutes straight about how 30% hitters are the very best and how hard it is and how that’s unlike any other task in any other sport. It was to the point of patronizing.
I feel like when i hear them, im being lectured at like a 12 year old baseball player or a 50 year old parent who never has watched before.
As if we can’t go back and look at past stats to see what good hitting teams average and how this one doesn’t come close right now. Yes, Paul. We know hitting a baseball is hard to do. That doesn’t mean it’s okay when half the lineup is hitting at or below 0.200 through the easiest part of the schedule.
Posted on 3/6/20 at 10:20 am to ProjectP2294
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Some schools recruit guys that may be a tier lower from an athlete standpoint but are more polished baseball players.
Are those teams more successful?
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Some schools recruit a majority JUCO guys so that they're developed more by the time they get to campus.
Are those teams more successful?
In other words, the schools that are besting us, what are they going? “Guessing” better, signing more polished HS players, or signing JC players primarily?
I’ve seen a decline in every day talent now for two seasons and possibly a third depending on this freshman class.
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