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Thanks founding Fathers, Not!
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:53 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:53 am
The Constitution limits grounds of impeachment to "Treason, Bribery, or other high Crimes and Misdemeanors".[4] The precise meaning of the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is not defined in the Constitution itself.
This wording from the constitution is what has us in the mess we are in. So high crimes are not really defined nor are the misdemeanors. And now with the twits in the House a President can impeached for about anything. Those bastards got most of it right but got this wrong!
This wording from the constitution is what has us in the mess we are in. So high crimes are not really defined nor are the misdemeanors. And now with the twits in the House a President can impeached for about anything. Those bastards got most of it right but got this wrong!
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:54 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Take a class with the Dersh and you will understand...
Posted on 1/28/20 at 6:56 am to Knight of Old
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Take a class with the Dersh and you will understand...
He put on a clinic last night...
Illustrated the difference between sin and a crime
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:14 am to aTmTexas Dillo
Please listen to Dershowitz' presentation yesterday where he completely explains the Founders' thinking and reasoning and their intent. Brilliantly done and pointing out why and what items were eliminated as grounds for impeachment.
so long as we have Originalists on the court, we are safe.....

so long as we have Originalists on the court, we are safe.....
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 7:15 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:17 am to aTmTexas Dillo
The entire Congress could be impeached on far worse acts they've committed while in office of bribery and collusion.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:18 am to aTmTexas Dillo
A misdemeanor is a violation of a criminal statute the potential jail sentence of which is less than one year.
Given that, one would assume a High Crime would equate to a felony. Which is any violation punishable by more than one year in jail.
Neither of these are what the President did.
Given that, one would assume a High Crime would equate to a felony. Which is any violation punishable by more than one year in jail.
Neither of these are what the President did.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:20 am to BurningHeart
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This post was edited on 1/17/21 at 9:02 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:24 am to jbgleason
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Neither of these are what the President did.
or you can say it was more like treason than a misdemeanor.
Holding congressionally allocated funds that were intended to be used in.the armed conflict between russia and ukraine.
Undermined congressional foreign policy solely to get propaganda against biden, who was leading all candidates in the then current polling.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:24 am to aTmTexas Dillo
One of the rare cases where the FF’s left room for the discretion and judgment of the elected leaders.
And a clear example of why they generally avoided doing that.
And a clear example of why they generally avoided doing that.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:28 am to CelticDog
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or you can say it was more like treason than a misdemeanor.
LoL. Well then the Democrats certainly could have charged him with Treason. It is one of the defined acts that allows for impeachment. They didn’t because he clearly didn’t do that either. Your post really makes zero sense.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:30 am to CelticDog
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or you can say it was more like treason than a misdemeanor.
Holding congressionally allocated funds that were intended to be used in.the armed conflict between russia and ukraine.
Undermined congressional foreign policy solely to get propaganda against biden, who was leading all candidates in the then current polling.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:33 am to jbgleason
The founding fathers knew they were establishing a short term Republic.
I think they would be surprised it has lasted so long.
What they expected was every few generations the Government would overstep its bounds and begin to restrict the liberty of the citizens. The freedom loving citizens would then spill enough blood to retake control of the Government limiting the power of the Federal Government and resetting the clock until it all had to happen again.
I think they would be surprised it has lasted so long.
What they expected was every few generations the Government would overstep its bounds and begin to restrict the liberty of the citizens. The freedom loving citizens would then spill enough blood to retake control of the Government limiting the power of the Federal Government and resetting the clock until it all had to happen again.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:34 am to CelticDog
If Trump's intent was to smear or eliminate Biden, why wouldn't he wait until Biden actually won the nomination to do this?
At this particular point in time, he gains nothing politically by taking this route.
Have you factored this into your conclusion?
At this particular point in time, he gains nothing politically by taking this route.
Have you factored this into your conclusion?
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:35 am to jbgleason
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Your post really makes zero sense.
Sky screaming retards rarely, if ever, make sense.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:36 am to CelticDog
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Undermined congressional foreign policy
Congress doesn't set foreign policy you jackass.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:36 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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This wording from the constitution is what has us in the mess we are in.
No. It doesn't.
There is a substantial body of contemporaneous evidence and scholarly study as to what this means (and doesn't mean).
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:40 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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And now with the twits in the House a President can impeached for about anything.
This has always been the case. There has not been a impeachment of a President in this country that wasn’t rooted in partisan hackery.
The previous two backfired and so will this one.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:40 am to CelticDog
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or you can say it was more like treason than a misdemeanor.
or whatever the dims decide it means on any given day. The dims do like to change the meaning of words and their propaganda arm follows in line.
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:41 am to ApexTiger
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Illustrated the difference between sin and a crime
So genius that line
From a legal nerd perspective, one thing I hadn’t considered in listening to him before and reading everything he wrote on the topic - was his argument that we ended common law crimes in this country like 200 yrs ago.
At the time the Const was written “high crimes and misdemeanors” were a creature of common law/common understanding. You could be convicted of something that wasn’t defined by a statute. It could be a “we know it when we see it” kind of thing.
After a SCOTUS case sometime in the 1800s the concept of common law crimes was ruled unconstitutional. (I haven’t read the case but I would bet it was decided on a due process basis (notice and opportunity to be heard). You can’t have notice of a law that’s not written down but “in the bosom of each congressman” (as whoever that Senator Dersh quoted said).
He’s absolutely right. The crime would have to be defined by some statute to meet the legal definition of a crime under our constitution- even if the person wouldn’t be able to be convicted of it to constitute a “high crime and misdemeanor.” Examples he gave - statute of limitations; committed the act outside of jurisdiction of charging authorities.
We punish actions, that are defined as illegal, not thoughts in this country.
The man is a freaking genius and it’s the only time I’ve ever been sad that I didn’t go to Harvard. He’s a patriot and a credit to his profession.
OP should definitely pull up his presentation on YouTube and watch it. That shite will be studied by fledgling 1Ls for years to come. It was THAT monumental to our law.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 7:42 am
Posted on 1/28/20 at 7:51 am to aTmTexas Dillo
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The precise meaning of the phrase "high Crimes and Misdemeanors" is not defined in the Constitution itself.
As Dersowich told us last night = at the time the constitution was written, there were no crimes defined. No legislature had ever sat to determine what the law is.
They were using commonly known terminology derived from common law concepts.
Treason and Bribery were known to be a HIGH CRIME (and they actually defined the meaning of 'treason) and they were confident that would be enacted (and defined) by subsequent legislation.
In anticipation of there being other similar abuses, they included OTHER 'high cirimes and misdealers"
Dirschowitx went into the reason the word 'misdemeanor' was used to augment "crimes" - due to common understanding of the terms at the time. The Founders certainly didn't want to include a parking meter fine as worthy of impeachment.
The "other" qualifier merely means = 'offenses as weighty as Treason and Bribery
at least that is what I got our of Derschowitz' presentation.
This post was edited on 1/28/20 at 7:54 am
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