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re: Zach Lowe Expects Pels to be Sellers at Trade Deadline
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:47 pm to cgrand
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:47 pm to cgrand
If everyone moved like JJ, we would have plenty of space on the floor. Too much standing around an lack of ball movement.
We shouldn't do anything until we get rid of Gentry.
We shouldn't do anything until we get rid of Gentry.
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Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:56 pm to TigerinATL
quote:Yep, he completed sold me when I listened.
On the latest In The NO podcast, Shamit makes a pretty good case for trading Favors. Not only will he be overpaid for future production if you resign him thanks to Jaxson's emergence, he thinks BI and Jrue are struggling because Favors + Lonzo + Zion is screwing up the spacing like everyone thought it would.
He also pointed out Favors will probably be a 3/$60m type guy. You have Jaxson Hayes who in 2-3 seasons you gotta be expecting to get 25mpg or so. They're already playing Zion heavy minutes at center, and it's fair to assume Zion will play some center minutes in the next couple of seasons. They threw out the random number 10 minutes...the actual # isn't entirely relevant, just that Zion will be getting minutes at center is most important.
So, if in the 2022 season Zion/Jaxson are combining to play about 35 minutes per game at center, why are we going to be paying Favors $20mil to log 12-15 minutes per game? Or, is Favors going to get the Hayes minutes and cut into his development? I sure hope not.
Before I heard that I was in the Extend Favors camp, but that put some perspective on it, and now I think we have to roll with Hayes/Zion/cheap filler instead of Favors. And since he'll be a free agent, and some teams would value those bird rights, he should have decent trade value.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 1:59 pm to NOSHAU
quote:He made it sound more tolerable than I thought, but something about it still just doesn't sit well with me. Defense/injuries are probably that something, but he did make good points.
Way too early to make that conclusion, but Shamit is throwing out Fletcher trades for players like Love.
Our offense would feature 5 above average passers. The Love to Zion outlet passes would be insane. The spacing he'd create for Zion would be very advantageous. At the least, even if Love isn't the guy, he's the type of guy offensively we need to pair with Zion.
And the final good point he made that made was that for those who are worried about the next 3 seasons at $30mil for Love and how that'll ruin our free agency chances...think about all the elite stars over the past decade or 2. How many of them had big time free agency acquisitions during your star player's 1st 3-4 years? We could be saving that money to pair Zion with a star that just seems to never happen based on the past.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:04 pm to shel311
quote:Love's offense would be at least offset by his lack of defense. Couple that with his injury history and salary and I would pass pretty quickly.
He made it sound more tolerable than I thought, but something about it still just doesn't sit well with me. Defense/injuries are probably that something, but he did make good points.
Our offense would feature 5 above average passers. The Love to Zion outlet passes would be insane. The spacing he'd create for Zion would be very advantageous. At the least, even if Love isn't the guy, he's the type of guy offensively we need to pair with Zion.
And the final good point he made that made was that for those who are worried about the next 3 seasons at $30mil for Love and how that'll ruin our free agency chances...think about all the elite stars over the past decade or 2. How many of them had big time free agency acquisitions during your star player's 1st 3-4 years? We could be saving that money to pair Zion with a star that just seems to never happen based on the past.
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 2:05 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 2:55 pm to shel311
quote:
He also pointed out Favors will probably be a 3/$60m type guy
Vucevic got 4 years at $25M/yr
Horford got 4 years at $27m/yr
Capela signed for 5 years a at $19M/yr
Brooke Lopez got 4 years at $13M/yr
Valanciunas, Thad Young, and Dedmon got 3 years at $15M/yr
Nurkik signed for 4 years at $12M/yr
DJ signed for 4 years at $10M/yr
Maxi Klieber signed for 4 years at $9M/yr
Favors has no outside shot, and isn't a good rim runner b/c he's not athletic. He doesn't defend the perimeter well either, not that you expect that from a center.
If anyone gives him 3/60, they are as dumb as Dell giving Asik a 4 year deal.
His top end is 3/45 or 4/50
I don't see him being part of the team for the future either, and i'd like to try to trade him, but i can't see anyone giving us anything for him. we don't want 2nd round picks, and no one is giving up a 1st for him, at least i dont think they would. The only ones that would be interested in him are playoff teams in need of a big to protect the rim, and the only team i think that would fit that bill would be the Celtics, who probably could really use a guy like Favors to play against the Sixers and Raptors. I can't see them trading Hayward or Smart for Favors, since one of them would have to be involved to make the money work.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:03 pm to TeddyPadillac
Here's a trade scenario for shits and giggles since i like playing with the trade machine.
OKC gets Marcus Morris and Darius Miller and Pels 1st from Cleveland (which is 2 seconds)
NYK gets Favors, Muscala, Jackson and the Thunder 2020 2nd from Chicago
NOP gets Gallo and Taj
That's something i'd explore if we really liked Gallo, which i have no idea if we do, or if we even should really like him. It gets OKC out the tax while still giving them a good player in Morris, Knicks get an early 2nd for Morris, Pels get Gallo for two early 2nds.
OKC gets Marcus Morris and Darius Miller and Pels 1st from Cleveland (which is 2 seconds)
NYK gets Favors, Muscala, Jackson and the Thunder 2020 2nd from Chicago
NOP gets Gallo and Taj
That's something i'd explore if we really liked Gallo, which i have no idea if we do, or if we even should really like him. It gets OKC out the tax while still giving them a good player in Morris, Knicks get an early 2nd for Morris, Pels get Gallo for two early 2nds.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:06 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:Wouldn't think that would be enough for Gallo. Also, I would expect that if we trade Favors, it would be to somewhere he would want to go (as a courtesy since he chose NOLA last year) and I cannot imagine NYK would fit that bill.
Here's a trade scenario for shits and giggles since i like playing with the trade machine.
OKC gets Marcus Morris and Darius Miller and Pels 1st from Cleveland (which is 2 seconds)
NYK gets Favors, Muscala, Jackson and the Thunder 2020 2nd from Chicago
NOP gets Gallo and Taj
That's something i'd explore if we really liked Gallo, which i have no idea if we do, or if we even should really like him. It gets OKC out the tax while still giving them a good player in Morris, Knicks get an early 2nd for Morris, Pels get Gallo for two early 2nds.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:14 pm to TeddyPadillac
OKC is only 800K into the tax...getting below that is a snap of the fingers. that is not a motivation to sell low on Gallinari
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:29 pm to cgrand
Who’s giving up a 1st for Gallo? And is that first better than Morris and two seconds?
If Gallo isn’t in their future plans, what’s the point of keeping him?
If Gallo isn’t in their future plans, what’s the point of keeping him?
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 4:30 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:32 pm to NOSHAU
quote:
Also, I would expect that if we trade Favors, it would be to somewhere he would want to go (as a courtesy since he chose NOLA last year) and I cannot imagine NYK would fit that bill
interesting take.
Gallinari is fa after season. You make that deal if you are in 4th or better, not in dog fight with spurs, memphis, portland for 8th (which dogfight was foretold on this board before one game was played, before any knowledge of how first half looked.) only difference is 7th looked more reachable and the list of teams in the scrum didnt have Memphis.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:34 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Who’s giving up a 1st for Gallo? And is that first better than Morris and two seconds?
how is morris an asset? he's expiring just like gallo.
2 seconds for gallinari is theft
Posted on 1/27/20 at 4:48 pm to CelticDog
quote:Agreed. The only advantage would be to have his bird rights. Given our roster makeup and the fact that BI will be getting the max, I do not see the Pels investing that heavily going forward in Gallo.
interesting take.
Gallinari is fa after season. You make that deal if you are in 4th or better, not in dog fight with spurs, memphis, portland for 8th (which dogfight was foretold on this board before one game was played, before any knowledge of how first half looked.) only difference is 7th looked more reachable and the list of teams in the scrum didnt have Memphis.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:23 pm to TeddyPadillac
quote:
Pels 1st
quote:
Favors,
quote:
NOP gets Gallo and Taj
Pass. I've just never been in love with Gallinari like others. He's on the wrong side of 30 and we finally have picks to use. Let's not get shortsighted again.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:30 pm to Jester
It’s not an actual 1st. It’s 2 2nds from Cleveland.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 7:35 pm to Fun Bunch
quote:
It’s not an actual 1st. It’s 2 2nds from Cleveland.
I don't give 2 shits about the in betweens. The only things that matter are what we give and what we get. The suggestion had us giving up our first for an old Gallinari. We're not talking about prime Gallinari.
ETA - I just went and reread it. That's better, but I'm just not sure it moves the needle for us. Maybe it gets us to the 8 seed this year, but does that really matter?
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 7:38 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:23 pm to Jester
quote:
but I'm just not sure it moves the needle for us. Maybe it gets us to the 8 seed this year, but does that really matter?
right. and we have to think a few steps ahead with every move we make. it's not just about the 8th seed. if we can get there great
the idea of Love or Horford or even someone like LaMarcus Aldrige is to see how Zion & Hayes play next to them + mentor them + give you a big contract that could get easily movable if & when you need it + not giving up a ton to get them
for example one of my favorites is sending Okafor + Melli + however many 2nds they want to SAC for Bjelica.
prototypical stretch 4 to see how that type of player fits next to Zion & Hayes + we give up nothing + he's got 2/12 left on his deal. not a move that fits all the criteria, but a move that can help you answer important questions
Posted on 1/27/20 at 8:47 pm to DeionDeion
I feel like Griffin has to go for Lebron at the deadline.
A lineup of:
Zion
Lebron
NAW
Frank
Moore
That’s just to tempting to pass up. I wonder if a package of (Hayes+Favors) gets it done?
A lineup of:
Zion
Lebron
NAW
Frank
Moore
That’s just to tempting to pass up. I wonder if a package of (Hayes+Favors) gets it done?
This post was edited on 1/27/20 at 8:52 pm
Posted on 1/27/20 at 9:09 pm to DeionDeion
Nah fam, I don’t want 2 1/2 yrs in a deal. I want tons of flexibility until we have seen each one of these baby birds grow a bit more.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 10:24 pm to cgrand
quote:
how is morris an asset? he's expiring just like gallo.
2 seconds for gallinari is theft
He’s a great defender and his shooting 45% from 3. How is he not an asset.
Again, what would you value more, a late 1st, or an early second for two years?
The difference in what you can draft at 25 and 35 is almost negligible as far as on court performance goes.
Posted on 1/27/20 at 11:02 pm to msutiger
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